Ego Climbing

Post by **vic** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 9:34 pm

I don't think that it's necessarily about judging other people. The fact of the matter is, bouldering, sport, trad, ice, etc… are all very different for the same reason that K-1 flat water kayaking, and ocean kayaking are also all very different.

I have seen this happening the exact same way: for the most part ocean kayakers do not want to be associated with the flat water kayaker (even though it’s all about a derivative of the same single sport). As climbers we face the same thing, but does that mean we need to crucify one-another?

It’s down to a personal choice to choose one style of climbing from another. It’s also a personal choice to want to give the “other” form of climbing a try.

In any event, that doesn’t automatically give anyone the right to bad mouth another form or style. Doing so is like going back to 3rd grade – and I even though I have seen 9-year-old kids having more fun than us, let’s keep it all in perspective.

Post by **an83angel** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 9:39 pm

climbing is a beautiful and challenging sport, but the push we have to pull a rope, and lead when we could just top rope, or to not stick clip becuase it's a form of aid...for those of you who know me, i'm out with a broken back for a couple of months, and the extra thrill you get from whatever chance you take climbing is not worth the risk of maybe not being able to climb again. I am the last person to lecture on this because the adventure of the sport is partly in the risk, and that is part of what makes it so addictive, but like everythine else in life, you have to just go with your gut feeling, and if you're wrong, life has very blunt ways of pointing it out.

The people is what climbing is all about....not trad,sport, or a 5.14 will be at your side at the hospital, but the people you shared those things with will.

Post by **pigsteak** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 9:40 pm

so ray, now we have to follow your definition of what a climber is? thought we were trying to get away from that...interesting...replacing one label for another..does that somehow return the purity to our sport...?

labels are for fags and brand whores???? lmao..tell THAT to all the petzl, misty mountin, prana, BD, DMM, blue water, verve, and rope gun poster children running around the Red....just another example of hypocrisy at work...we rebuke labels only to label others...

Post by **vic** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 9:51 pm

Two legs, two arms - the runner and the day hiker: They are then the same?
Let's see, they both use legs and arms, and they both have shoes. Wait a minute, that means that all climbers and all hikers, and all runners fall in the same category!? In reality, we all put the label on ourselves, but why in the world would a climber sit here online and make fun of the runner?
Did the "guy" make a wrong choice along the way?
We have labels, we change them when we want as we explore other venues and way of life, and that label cannot be taken away. Having that label doesn't automatically give another the right to use it to lower a person (or a style).

Post by **discojett** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 10:21 pm

SCIN, you couldn't have said that any better.

I'm glad beer has a label though. I want to know what the hell I'm drinking.

Post by **ynot** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 11:09 pm

If you look at my spray list you will see sport routes.

Post by **SCIN** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 11:20 pm

pigsteak wrote: labels are for fags and brand whores???? lmao..tell THAT to all the petzl, misty mountin, prana, BD, DMM, blue water, verve, and rope gun poster children running around the Red....just another example of hypocrisy at work...we rebuke labels only to label others...

I see your point. I just labeled them as fags but in turn said that labels are for fags. You sure are smart my cute little nugget. I think I'll change your label now.

Post by **gulliver** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 11:36 pm

beer ,,,it's all good. If you're stranded and the local swill is all you got , you will develope a toleran.. I mean taste for it . If you are climbing you can find the enjoyment in the route whether the rope is ahead of you or trailing you. Once you can lead some routes, you have a better chance of "discovering" the climb which is also appealing. Some of that seems to be missing in a sport route. Once you leave the rope and the gear behind , you have a better chance of climbing with St. ugh....,that patron saint of climbers guy.
This isn't clear to me either , I will think about this more. I love climbing. All climbing
I'm just not climbing now

and the swill is running out

Post by **Bruisebrother** » Fri Oct 24, 2003 2:17 am

It's the people you're with, the fun you have and the rock you're on ! Happy to have been able to hold your rope all these years T-Bone. Ah the fond memories. Rock on Ray!

Post by **jeffers_mz** » Fri Oct 24, 2003 5:24 am

I enjoy yanking people's chains...I mean, sportos wear pink tights, traddies usually have food stuck in their long gray beards, and non technical mountaineers are the biggest wankers of all. Oxygen thieves at best.

Course, there's a difference between trying to get a rise out of somebody and really trying to hold them down.