Soloing

Post by **andy_lemon** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 5:51 pm

Gretchen wrote:DUde, we are all for you soloing! I'll bring the video camera just in case!

Yeh, we might be able to get some shit on "you got to see this!"

Post by **pigsteak** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 7:45 pm

ok, since everyone else gets to "choose" their own "style" of climbing without interference from the rest of us....I choose to chip holds on the 5.13's at the red so I can enjoy them like the rest of you wankers. That is my chosen style, to purify the jingus moves on an otherwise stellar route.

And I'll be damned if I ask anyone for permission to climb in my chosen style...

who's gonna grant me permission......step on up...

Post by **Gretchen** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 8:02 pm

The only thing getting chipped is you! I am going to turn you into a chipped ham sandwich. You want to tango with a hungry pregnant lady??

Post by **tomdarch** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 8:06 pm

TradMike wrote:(snip)In Yosemite, no true free-soloer has been killed yet, although one, critically hurt, survived only by the speed of his rescue. (snip)

I found the John Dill (NPS) source that you quote, but I'm pretty sure that at least one prominent 'soloist' in the Valley has died while soloing there. I'll look for a reference and name(s) - I just wanted to call your claim into question because I'm fairly sure it isn't accurate. Nonetheless, a fair amount of soloing happens in the Valley, and deaths are rare (or nonexistent, if none has yet happened) But I've seen some stupid-ass stuff during my breif visits, so 'dumb luck' seems to be playing a major factor in the low-death-rate statistic.

Post by **pigsteak** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 8:28 pm

lol gretchen..I like that...chipped ham....

just making a point my friend..no action is made in a vacuum....soloing impacts everyone, even if the person does not fall....

as much as we like to "pretend" that we climb for ourselves, we are actually climbing for the community as a whole...every climb builds the legacy we leave as a group..good or bad...if land owners want to look at rock climbing as stupid and dangerous, I am guessing they might pick out soloing as a "prime example" of our "reckless behavior"..(along with all the other isolated examples that get held out as poster children)

but I'll give you my back bacon for a pigsteak sandwich anyday....

Post by **Gretchen** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 8:59 pm

Chomp Chomp!!

Thanks Piggy, that was good!

I agree with you statement. Being that the general public isn't shucking out their tax dollars to erect climbing stadiums for the community, then we as a whole are still in the early stages of acceptance as a sport in general. So far corporate America hasn't found the investment worthy of their efforts, then again, watch out when they do! So needless to say our actions will certainly be held accountable for and monitored. Just because you are in the woods doesn't mean the no ones watching.

Post by **TradMike** » Wed Oct 22, 2003 3:30 pm

tomdarch wrote:I found the John Dill (NPS) source that you quote, but I'm pretty sure that at least one prominent 'soloist' in the Valley has died while soloing there.

Your right, I forgot about Derek Hersey on the Steck Salathe.

Post by **tomdarch** » Wed Oct 22, 2003 3:43 pm

Yep! That's the one I was trying to remember. It might be the only one, amazingly enough.