When are we going to see trad 5.15c?

[caribe]

and what would it look like?
- Can it be done? That is to say, would such a route have protectable features and still be 5.15c?
I guess right now the trad grade ends at about 5.14c. Could a 5.15c trad grade be declared while leaving such a large gap between it and and the next hardest trad grade. If climbing is just climbing like a lot of people say, there should be no problem declaring this grade and leaving this gap.
- Trad been around longer than sport. Why is the upper end of the sport grade increasing so fast compared to trad? Aren't there enough mutants trying hard trad?

[Skeptic]

I think 15c trad would invariably be R/X death...very steep learning curve

[SCIN]

If Alex Honnold climbed an existing 5.15c bolted route but skipped the bolts and stuck a small cam in a pocket along the way would that be 5.15c trad?

[caribe]

uh . . . yes. Course Honnold does not climb that hard, and certainly does not solo that hard. Point well taken though. I can see someone bouldering up 15 ft and plugging gear at natural spot and continuing another 10 ft and plugging gear in another. Perhaps it is possible to have a Proper Soul / Blean Bean story at 15c.

[Spikeddem]

You guys should definitely spend 10-15 pages first defining what "trad" is.

[tbwilsonky]

agreed. just a quick primer on this whole trad thing first, and THEN you fellas can get back to speculating on imaginary numerical difficulty.

[caribe]

Climb placing removable, sustainable protection in natural features on lead.

[climb2core]

"sustainable" protection? Fuckin' hippies (shaking head)...

[graniteclimber]

Sure it exists. All you'd need is a v14 or whatever section above a crack.

Could there be a 15c crack? It's hard to imagine... maybe a long fingers roof?

[megmay]

Caribe, that's just like wondering if one could grow a 14in penis - perhaps, some day the right amount of nutrition, genetics and suction devices could achieve that end, but who the hell cares? I'd never want to experience such a monstrosity; it sounds about as painful as a 15c crack.

Or perhpas one needs a 14in penis to climb a 15c crack. No, better yet would be a .5mm thick pecker. Would that constitute aid?