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Re: ethics
I can understand removing rock that is obviously dangerous, but that guy was going to town on that rock in a way that doesn't look like he's removing choss.
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Rotarypwr345704
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Re: ethics
Honestly, who gives a shit? And even if you do give a shit about what this guy is doing, how can you say anything when you sport climb? Or climb anything with bolted anchors or use cams or nuts that deface the rock. Let's all just admit that we're all hypocrites and we all suck at life? There's nothing to discuss. If you get your jollies off by sport climbing rather than "trad" climbing or "chipping" rather than not chipping what does it matter? At the end of your life you will have taken more than you have given. So if you want to take a bit more, so be it.
I fell for the everyone-shut-up-and-ill-donate-money scheme. -Ray Ellington, guidebook gawd
My name is Sam Douglass and I love to pose for photo shoots holding on to a jug with only one hand (and no feet!) with my best friend Ian.
My name is Sam Douglass and I love to pose for photo shoots holding on to a jug with only one hand (and no feet!) with my best friend Ian.
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tbwilsonky
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Re: ethics
glad nobody has filmed me cleaning boulders. flake wrestling probably looks like a capital crime on video.
haunted.
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tbwilsonky
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Re: ethics
but in all seriousness, most of the outrage is likely coming from repeat-only climbers who clearly aren't savvy to the imminent "moral" grey zone of climbing development. sure there are just-add-chalk classics but in many cases there are difficult decisions regarding safety and sending that might be solved with a crow bar. simple as that. nobody wants to rip flakes off with tools of destruction, but we definitely don't want to kill our buddy.
climbers are ultimately in the business of destroying rock; the moral worth of said destruction rests entirely on the style in which you do it.
climbing ethics are purely aesthetics.
climbers are ultimately in the business of destroying rock; the moral worth of said destruction rests entirely on the style in which you do it.
climbing ethics are purely aesthetics.
haunted.
Re: ethics
I think it is interesting that Dani Andrada (a well respected climber) essentially admits to having chipped and still chipping when necessary to preserve the aesthetics and flow of a line, but never received the same attention.... http://vimeo.com/36642899 (check out around 5:22 and 17:27). Ethics are relative
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climb2core
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Re: ethics
It is only bad if you do it and somebody video tapes it. Plus,that doesn't count because it is in Europe.