Sporty sport lines allowed?

[One-Fall]

is projecting only for those that climb 13 and above?

above. projecting actually starts at 14b.

Don't tell Lee that

Someone pass the burn ointment.

[Willy]

I agree with that. Bolters shouldn't have to worry about someone getting in over their head. If you don't know how to fall and don't have a competent belayer you shouldn't even be climbing

but isn't the point of sport climbing to push the barriers of one's ability? projecting routes and what not? "if you're not grabbing draws you're not trying hard enough" (etc).

with that said, i don't have a dog in this fight. i appreciate all the efforts of those that bolt routes for me to climb. although when i think about bolting routes myself (if that ever happens in the future) i don't think i'd bolt them with the idea that only ppl who are solid at the grade are going to climb it. is projecting only for those that climb 13 and above?

It is about pushing yourself and you can do that safely on routes with well spaced bolts. If there isn't a draw for you to conveniently grab, you whip, yard back up and go from there. The only problem with getting in over your head should be having to leave a biner or find a rope gun, not getting injured. Im condoning that bolters purposely try to make dangerous routes but airy ones are just fine if the falls are clean. Crown of Thorns is a good example of this.

[climb2core]

Andrew, any worries with taking the whip from the top of Climactic Crush?

[super safe ian]

is projecting only for those that climb 13 and above?

above. projecting actually starts at 14b.

Don't tell Lee that

Translation: since no one respects me I will use Lee to justify my inability to send.

[super safe ian]

Andrew, any worries with taking the whip from the top of Climactic Crush?

Translation: can I please use your bolting to excuse my failures?

[Jeff]

Now look what you've done pigsteak.
Pass the popcorn....

[climb2core]

LOL, that is actually funny.

[super safe ian]

LOL, that is actually funny.

Translation: I salute your humor and recognize in it qualitites lacking in my own person. I would be humbled, but I lack that trait as well.

[dustonian]

Brutal! Don't worry Nick, with good behavior you will get to be Safety Captain before the semester is over too.

[der uber]

Wish I could take credit but it is quite intersting in a humorous way!