Fixed Gear

[clif]

i really do appreciate much that the Weber's do and have done as well as all the 'equippers', but speaking only for myself and the limited budget i allot for climbing related expenses, i would never want to donate money for fixed draws.

[climb2core]

That is fine, just make sure you don't ever climb on them then.

[clif]

would i have your permission to clip one of my draws into a fixed draw?

[climb2core]

Sure, hang your own draws as you go and clean em when your done. No worries. No contribution needed.

[stix]

That is fine, just make sure you don't ever climb on them then.

ha

[toad857]

I think developers should be the last one to "pony up" Rick. IMO, they already did... they spent their time and money to equip the route, and have moved on to the next line to do the same again for us chuffers. It is we, the self entitled masses, that need to pony up.

even if the route sucks?

[climb2core]

Yes, we do it for all routes, including Andrews.

[clif]

c2c, why do you think fixed gear is here to stay? i don't care much either way it just seems that keeping bolts and anchors in good condition has been challenge enough.

[pigsteak]

I am against completely fixed routes anyway, so no way I'd ever pony up for that Maintenance.

Leave it biner mid route for cleaning and biners on the chains is sufficient. We need to quit enabling people.

[climb2core]

I am against completely fixed routes anyway, so no way I'd ever pony up for that Maintenance.

Leave it biner mid route for cleaning and biners on the chains is sufficient. We need to quit enabling people.

It is not a matter of enabling. If we don't put up steel perma's history has shown that aluminum mank will pop up. Bob Marley is a good example. Changing the culture of the Red to not let anyone put up aluminum would be ideal, but I haven't heard of a way to do that yet.