Trad as a Fad?

[Shamis]

Onsite solo some of the 11s in the Red, and I bet they feel just as hard as Twilight Zone.

That's a ridiculous statement.

[caribe]

Onsite solo some of the 11s in the Red, and I bet they feel just as hard as Twilight Zone.

That's a ridiculous statement.

+1 Gary.

[dustonian]

Putting up with the Pig?! I love that guy, and I'm about to swing over his way... That heavy ass pack is breaking my back, I'm sick of blowing lichen out my nose from "others" ground up attempts and now that I have all the gear there's no fun in the collecting...

Say it ain't so, Spicy!!!

PS. Gettin' ready to sell your gear yet?

[pigsteak]

dustin, all it takes is a little push to jump ship.....

[dustonian]

I don't know, there's no heavier pack required than the one required for bolting sport routes...

[pigsteak]

so all these cutting edge bold gear routes that are rated 13c and up......are you guys also saying that these really are like 5.16 or something? where does the "trad is so much harder" whining end and the grades come together?

and more on point....rjackson climbs 12a...he sucks
I climb 12b...I suck
ow climbs 13b ...he also sucks....

so isnt it really a matter of just enjoying the experience? there is always someone climbing harder than "you" who can say you are ONE major ball of suckfest....

[pigsteak]

and on to caribe's point of whiny sport entitled climber's...I have to say I agree.....seems like when ever new routes get put up, peopel also feel entitled for the equipper to dust and polish every potential hold...I can not tell you how many times I have heard 'these holds are sandy, dirty, licheny"....wah, wah, wah....bring a freakin' brush, stfu, and do your little part in getting them in shape.

to that end, brad dallefield has gotten on a ton of my new stuff, most recently at the Dog Pound, and he always comes equipped with brushes and offers to clean and never complains....we need more of that ilk. or stay on the trade routes of old and leave the new stuff to the crusties....I guarantee if you whine about dirt on one of numb nut neal's new routes he will number 6 hex you when you hit the ground.

[One-Fall]

[quote="pigsteak"]

and more on point....rjackson climbs 12a...he sucks
I climb 12b...I suck
ow climbs 13b ...he also sucks....

quote]

For accuracy's sake alone:

Russ has climbed 12b
You have climbed 12d
Kris has climbed 13d

. . .And I failed to send my project after 21 attempts. Now how did Ray say I could lose more weight?

[dustonian]

and on to caribe's point of whiny sport entitled climber's...I have to say I agree.....seems like when ever new routes get put up, peopel also feel entitled for the equipper to dust and polish every potential hold...I can not tell you how many times I have heard 'these holds are sandy, dirty, licheny"....wah, wah, wah....bring a freakin' brush, stfu, and do your little part in getting them in shape.

to that end, brad dallefield has gotten on a ton of my new stuff, most recently at the Dog Pound, and he always comes equipped with brushes and offers to clean and never complains....we need more of that ilk.

Couldn't agree more. It's not enough to spend your $50 and half a day bolting the route, they also want you to blow another half day and go through 2 brushes and all the skin on your hands cleaning it just so it's up to their discerning standards. How about this, I'll clean the holds I need, and you can deal with the ones you need... i.e., get a brush and do it yourself if you don't like it, lazy asses!

Can I borrow your Brad for a while? He is such a good helper.

[Andrew]

I thought the forest service bolted all these routes. Don't they get paid to do it?