Please Explain It To Me.

[One-Fall]

An anonymous post into the online guide concerning Paradise Lost:
- I walked into Purgatory about a month ago to find Dave Graham effortlessly crushing everything at the crag. I watched the man do all the 13B's, Paradise Lost included. He used the no hands and said it was still a 13B, just a bit soft. I dont see what the problem is using it. It really isnt "15 feet off route" it is directly under the line of bolts up the face. Also I can reach the rest with my hand still on the jug. That Ledge is on.


This argument came up 7 years ago. Why is it still being talked about? Why does it matter if its rated 13a or 13b? Are you still not climbing Paradise Lost? Is it still not one of the best lines in the Red, independent of its grade?

Please explain to me why the poster needs affirmation that the route IS 13b. Thanks in advance.

[SCIN]

Only one explanation. Small penis.

[Spikeddem]

Dunno. Thank God you made a post about it though. With a little luck and seven years time, perhaps we'll know the answer.

[graniteclimber]

Many struggle with the 2nd pitch off that ledge.

[stix]

cuz he's a fucking tool

[der uber]

The rest is pretty good there. I never went down to the ledge, but I'm sure if you chill out there for a while that makes it easier. I do not have a good feel for a difference in grade. The early moves are bouldery but the second half is the toughest.

Whatever the grade it doesn't get much better.

[allah]

Its because I'm motha F***in GOD!!!!!!!! Everything is as I say! This debate is over!!!!!!!!!!

[CDNJer]

Sadly, although the FA'er is a true visionary when it comes to finding, cleaning and bolting the best lines in the Red, he's not the sharpest tack in the box. After getting the FA, the hoards of onlookers who had come to witness this great event, pointed out the ledge to him. He instantly burst into tears little a small toddler. After consoling him with some cookies and a warm cup of hot chocolate, he admitted that he was wrong. However, after years of hearing the question about the ledge over and over again, he has grown very bitter over the whole affair. At first he fled the area to the other side of the country in hopes of leaving the endless questioning behind him. Alas, the questions continued to role in as the original poster has demonstrated. At last report he has left to Europe to try and find some peace. Should you ever meet the visionary in person, it would be better not to bring it up, as there is no telling what he may do. Let the sleeping bear sleep.

[toad857]

Only one explanation. Small penis.

[pigsteak]

elephant in the room alert...elephant in the room....

duh, because all climbing is about the grade no matter what all you self-deceived "all's good" brah loving 8a.nu or redriverclimbing.com point chasers wanna admit. keep beating up anonymous but we all know that any single one of you could have wrote that. you're just jealous they beat you to it.