charlie wrote:This thread is an embarrassment. Many of you should be ashamed, especially the OP.
Now back to remembering why I'll never climb in the gorge again.
yeah right.
Sorry for asking a question in an open forum about an open organization made up of climber donations. shame on me.
and for god's sake, some of you old timers are getting dirt up your skirt....pity party on how things have changed, how everyone is so mean now, why you are disillusioned....
but bill, thank you for your answer...and let us know when you know more.
Positive vibes brah...positive vibes.