Openings

[KD]

KD, what are you talking about. Are you being sarcastic? If so your list is kind of odd. Pocket wall closed forever, dip wall... I didn't know it was ever closed. Oil and arena are still closed and so is roadside.

Am I missing something?

No I'm not being sarcastic, I'm pointing out that once a crag in the dbnf has been temporarily or forever closed - that I have never seen them reopen. For all practical purposes, there seems to be no distinction between a temporary and a permanant closure. I am also stating that when it has come to reopening closed crags, the coalition hasn't been very effective. Also, Dip has at least three closed routes to my best recollection. So to sum, the list isn't really odd, its just a list of the crags that have been closed and never reopened.

[captain static]

The RRGCC strategy is realy quite simple. We regularly communicate with the owners of those closed crags. In those communications we leave all options open. We also solicit input and advice from the Access Fund. We are optimistic that with patience and perserverence this strategy will pay off with some areas being re-opened in the near future. I should point out that the RRGCC measures its' success by the number of open climbs. By this measure, I don't thnk the overall success of our advocacy can be disputed.

Yes, Pocket Wall area is part of Natural Bridge State Park Nature Preserve. Rock climbing is not permitted in a State Nature Preserve. For more information on State Nature Preserves visit - http://naturepreserves.ky.gov/naturepre ... erves.aspx

We do, however, communicate and work with the State. Our $50,000 grant for the mountain bike trail is from the state.

BTW, Bentley and I are in SLC right now at the Outdoor Retailer show. Bentley is working on sponorships for this year's Rocktoberfest where we will celebrate paying off the PMRP mortgage. I am exploring industry grant opportunities, networking, and meeting with the Access Fund.

[KD]

The RRGCC strategy is realy quite simple. We regularly communicate with the owners of those closed crags....I should point out that the RRGCC measures its' success by the number of open climbs. By this measure, I don't thnk the overall success of our advocacy can be disputed....

I am not stating that any one else would have done a better job regarding getting closed resources reopened - but this an area of growth for the coalition as to date closed crags have remained closed. Regarding keeping them open - this is an area of success without dispute, however the thread was concerning reopening closed crags - an area of negotiation that needs improvement.

[clif]

Thank you Bill.

Dustin, you're hopeless, but thanks.

[dustonian]

Thank you Bill.

Dustin, you're hopeless, but thanks.

I don't consider it "hopeless" to suggest an avenue for contributing, rather than idly mewling on the internet.

[KD]

wow - you appear to have really great negotiating and facilitation skills - you should contact them and volunteer to contribute these instead of idly mewling.

[ynp1]

KD,

You are talking about closed routes in some of the cases, not crags. That is why I was confused...

Torrent was closed and is now kind of open...

[dustonian]

Well, I am currently negotiating with a landowner for public access, putting up tons of routes, and replacing a shitload of old bolts. Does that satisfy your requirements, KD?

[dustonian]

BTW, Bentley and I are in SLC right now at the Outdoor Retailer show. Bentley is working on sponorships for this year's Rocktoberfest where we will celebrate paying off the PMRP mortgage. I am exploring industry grant opportunities, networking, and meeting with the Access Fund.

As always, thanks a million for the hard work & dedication guys!

[KD]

ynp1 - I understand the confusion, good point. Dustonian - for volunteering it is satisfactory but for idly mewling there is something to be desired.