Reason.

[graniteclimber]

4.) hang dogging is the standard at the Red, so no worries there. However if you are in miserably over your head and other people are waiting, try to be somewhat respectful of their time. They may even help you retrieve your gear.

I think if everyone admitted/agreed to this up front it would have avoided the big hue and cry.

[Player]

I'm not of the religous nature, if Christ died for me, it was indeed in vain. I know I can do what ever the fuck I want. I want to do the favorable thing. I'm not interested in hangdogging all day, although that's pretty much what I'm best qualified for. Leaving a biner is leaving a trace, so is chalk. I'm specifically asking if leaving a carabiner is regarded as improper etiquette.
Edit: Missed your reply c2c, and am not sure what you mean.

Sorry, I will be direct...

1.) leaver biners are fine. To truly be safe it best to use 2, on at your high point and one at the bolt below. That said, people commonly use just one anchor point.

2.) By some $2 quick links at the hardware store and use them when you have to bail. The reference I made to a spirit draw is an expensive draw that a noob might leave behind.

3.) No worries about LNT ethics... Either the crew or someone else will come along and happily claim your left biner as booty

4.) hang dogging is the standard at the Red, so no worries there. However if you are in miserably over your head and other people are waiting, try to be somewhat respectful of their time. They may even help you retrieve your gear.


Good luck

Check out page 8 on http://petzl.com/catalogue/Petzl-Sport- ... 011-EN.pdf for a slick way to use 1 biner and have 2 anchors the whole way down.

[EricDorsey]

[quote="climb2core"2.) By some $2 quick links at the hardware store and use them when you have to bail. [/quote]

Quick links can be a pain in the ass for the next person to clean. Best to just own up to getting in over your head and leave a $5 biner. Of course a full spirit quickdraw would be even safer