Speak Up!

[LK Day]

lol...ur welcome mr. day....

still, I find it difficult to see how this works..these blank faces with no bolts have been there forever, and then as soon as someone else takes the time and money to develop it, suddenly it is the "must do" route for the poacher....?

That would be "clueless and disrespectful". It's a judgement call, I know, but if someone is tying up good lines and not making steady progress, then put 'em out of their misery.

[pigsteak]

my issues has always been this: there will always be someone stronger than the developer who can come along and onsite a route. always. I have no problem giving someone a route at my limit IF they reimburse me for the hardware.

[LK Day]

Do keep in mind that this conversation has pretty much been about trad or "sprad" climbing, on public land, not sport. There won't be many drilled anchors on these routes, so the co$t is pretty insignificant. But even in the case of a sport route, nobody took your gear. If you're in it for the glory, then maybe that's the wrong reason.

[pigsteak]

good point..but we all know, sport or trad, figuring out the moves is half the fun. I want to be the one to clean the lichen, to first chalk up the holds. that is the fun for me, deciphering the moves.

[rjackson]

I too find that the puzzle is almost always the draw... And in trad, you get the added bonus of figuring out the gear.

[rjackson]

I too find that the puzzle is almost always the draw... And in trad, you get the added bonus of figuring out the gear.

[jobryan]

Big shout out to Andrew Gerring for sending Welcome to Ol' Kentuck on Saturday.

[dustonian]

Nice send Andrew!

Also props to the indefatigable Russ Jackson and Scott Hammon for getting the FFA and FA of two uber-classic 5.10 cracks... and, I might add, ground up!!

[LK Day]

Way to go Andrew, Russ and Scott!

[rjackson]

Very cool Andrew! Congrats!