Safety first, Canadians second

[climb2core]

Not this guy.

[cliftongifford]

Who would agree to cleaning on top-rope?

You have to convince them that it's totally rad... "that shit's heady dawg, the falls are huge with all that rope stretch, crush that shit on top rope, you can do it!" "would you mind to clean that while your up there?"

works sometimes.

[climb2core]

Let's climb together... You can show me how that top rope cleaning thing works...

[bcombs]

Somewhere in the Pigsteak rulebook it states that a TR burn after a send requires a clean TR ascent, otherwise the redpoint doesn't count. Doesn't seem worth the risk to me.

[dustonian]

The best is when some lardbutt agrees to clean a steep route on toprope, falls at an inopportune moment, swings out into space, gets stuck, and you end up having to climb the route again and clean it anyway.

[climb2core]

The best is when some lardbutt agrees to clean a steep route on toprope, falls at an inopportune moment, swings out into space, gets stuck, and you end up having to clean the route anyway.

LOL, I was on Narcissus at Summersville 3 wks ago and a couple of buddies wanted to TR it after. Needless to say, they peeled off after 3 or 4 bolts, and couldn't get back on. However, I had already left the crag. They had to wait 2 hours to find someone that could/wanted to climb it. I did make a disclaimer statement before I left, that if I left my rope/draws they were responsible for it, LOL

[Pumpkin]

Some steep routes are easier to clean on top rope...ex: far from god at Shady Grove, although I agree that you should be able to climb the route if you are going to clean something so steep on TR. Boinking on TR is just silly.
Also, it can be terrifying watching some people try to clean a steep route on rappel...they don't quite have the whole rappel while trying to get close to the wall thing down (which in my opinion is usually a little scary, regardless of your skill and ability level), and for steep routes it would probably be safer to clean on belay, despite the wear and tear on the fixed gear.

[climb2core]

Some steep routes are easier to clean on top rope...ex: far from god at Shady Grove, although I agree that you should be able to climb the route if you are going to clean something so steep on TR. Boinking on TR is just silly.
Also, it can be terrifying watching some people try to clean a steep route on rappel...they don't quite have the whole rappel while trying to get close to the wall thing down (which in my opinion is usually a little scary, regardless of your skill and ability level), and for steep routes it would probably be safer to clean on belay, despite the wear and tear on the fixed gear.

It would be tough to clean FFG using any method, considering there are Perma's on it

[Pumpkin]

I was thinking before the permas....since they have only been there a few months

[climb2core]

I was thinking before the permas....since they have only been there a few months

Oh, I know what you meant... funny that you would pick a route that does have perma's on it now though. Wonder what the steepest route at the Red is now without Perma's... Twinkie and Phantasia?