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[GStephens]

grant, we know each other so I am clearly not trying to be a jerk....Twinkie has the exact same chain draws. I thought it was a bad idea there too, btw.

I never considered that anyone would ever be so bold as to hang chains on such a visible route inside the RRG proper. I suspect the USFS does not yet know about this, but they will discover it someday. I do not relish their response given the extraordinary access problems we have seen there historically. Bolts are one thing, but will the USFS really allow climbers to hang chains in a geological area?

[Yasmeen]

anchors on trad lines too ahab? or just the bolts that are an inconvenience for you?

You have to fit it into the song, Piggie, or it doesn't work.

"And no trad anchors, too?"

[ahab]

anchors on trad lines too ahab? or just the bolts that are an inconvenience for you?

yes.
not all that serious, btw. just checking that the rrc.com piggy bot is still functioning properly. carry on.

[bcombs]

We always talk about charging money and then we end up talking about KY use laws. That is fine, but isn't most of the land we climb on in the DBNF? The DBNF implemented the Recreation Fee Program which requires payment for parking on a 1 day, 3 day or annual basis. Enforcement is always brought up as the gating issue, but I don't see hordes of patrol cars from the USFS, just a couple on busy nights. I do see people forking over money at Shell to buy the passes. The USFS offers zero guarantee of a safe playground. I'm sure it is different when considering public vs. private land, but has someone put the proper amount of research into confirming this is truly not an option? http://www.fs.fed.us/r8/boone/recreatio ... ndex.shtml

[caribe]

We always talk about charging money and then we end up talking about KY use laws.

The USFS charges you to park overnight and that is all. I think a climbing venue could charge you to park at a site. A climbing venue could put up a sign saying something like pay 5$ to park; climbing, hiking and mountain biking or whatever are free of charge and you do these activities at your own risk.

If a car doesn't buy a ticket to park then you are going for Clevis' plan to tow them at the driver's expense.

[bcombs]

We always talk about charging money and then we end up talking about KY use laws.

The USFS charges you to park overnight and that is all. I think a climbing venue could charge you to park at a site. A climbing venue could put up a sign saying something like pay 5$ to park; climbing, hiking and mountain biking or whatever are free of charge and you do these activities at your own risk.

That's what I mean. We are always quick to shoot down money and cite insurance problems and use laws. Let's implement a pay to park strategy for a few key places on the PMRP and see how it goes. The funds are used to maintain the lots, trails and to pay a resource, assigned by the coalition, a wage to monitor and enforce? If someone gets to park without a pass, leave a note and log the license. Three violations and they get towed. Yank a car or three out of the sore heel lot and things will change quickly.

[Meadows]

Who will monitor the parking lot? The USFS has paid staff to monitor theirs, but is it worth it to private owners to pay someone to monitor? And can a non-profit make profit on parking?

[Climbingrocks]

We always talk about charging money and then we end up talking about KY use laws.

The USFS charges you to park overnight and that is all. I think a climbing venue could charge you to park at a site. A climbing venue could put up a sign saying something like pay 5$ to park; climbing, hiking and mountain biking or whatever are free of charge and you do these activities at your own risk.

That's what I mean. We are always quick to shoot down money and cite insurance problems and use laws. Let's implement a pay to park strategy for a few key places on the PMRP and see how it goes. The funds are used to maintain the lots, trails and to pay a resource, assigned by the coalition, a wage to monitor and enforce? If someone gets to park without a pass, leave a note and log the license. Three violations and they get towed. Yank a car or three out of the sore heel lot and things will change quickly.

Great Idea!!!!!!!!

Spread the word that you have to pay to "park" in the Red

[dustonian]

Sell them at RRO, Miguel's, LOA, True North, etc... 10% for their trouble. Rest divvied up between Graining Fork, RRGCC, & maybe Muir Valley & Torrent (if the Webers & Bob want in), % based on visitor-day estimates from 2010. Annual pass $50, 1-day $5. Bet we could buy a crag a year minimum.

[Crankmas]

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