ACCESS TO ROADSIDE - closed unttil further notice

[Meadows]

Let's not forget that the Zoo has been seeing lots of action in recent years so many of those cars in the lot are not just for Roadside.

[Toad]

If you let everyone climb the slabs over this summer, it should be eroded enough to make all the starts 5.12. Then, maybe, nobody will want to climb there.

[clif]

has anyone associated with the rrgcc or the access fund begun to identify properties available for acquisition?

are there any property owners looking for some potentially revenue generating activity on otherwise impenetrable vertical land that should be contacted?

in addition to being assholes, could concerned individuals inquire as to where these problematic parties come from and how they were exposed to climbing and what they hope to accomplish through these experiences?

are we/am i really helpless?

[Clevis Hitch]

BWWWWHaaaHaaaaHaaa!!!

You fags kill me! "the problem is everybody else but me" BWHaaaHaaHaaa!!!

If you want to "fix" roadside, feel free to choke yourself... BwWWWhHHAAAhAhHHHaaa!!














































fags...

[clif]

clevis, i don't mind being called a fag, but i'm concerned you're so happy about it.

[weber]

reading these posts and in reference to my first post about how to reach the masses, I think Wes put his finger on it. The commonality/ common medium that every climber has to go through to get to a cliff is the cliff itself. If you are trying to get a message across to the un- intune careless entitled climber, they will get the message when they show up to their favorite cliff and find it closed. A sign detailing why it is closed would help. I think serial closures of the impacted cliffs might make the point.
As to the concern that climbers and their impacts would be displaced and thereby concentrated onto fewer cliffs, perhaps. However I think the numbers have swelled because of the amount of developed cliff. I don't think it is any coincidence that MV has seen numbers explode. It above all areas has accommodated the numbers. Climbers are like cockroaches- if you give them food and shelter they will proliferate. If you take away their sustenance their numbers may shrink. Seriously, if the word got out that the Red was having access problems and cliff closures, people traveling from far will make other choices with their travel plans. This is particularly true for the low end routes. (hard truth but still truth, I feel)

I guess I believe that the growing interest in rock climbing is due, for the most part, to friends introducing friends to the sport, regardless of how many crags are available. But, who knows. If the PMRP and Muir had not been developed over the past seven years, would the number of climbers here today be the same as they are today with everyone fighting to get time on the rock? Or would the numbers have remained the same as they were in pre PMRP/Muir days? Hard to say.

[the lurkist]

no offense Rick. You, Grant/ John, Bob, the PRMP have done a good thing. I think the numbers are influenced by the ease of access, though. A problem, but better than the alternative. You clearly have set the bar in terms of management of these numbers.

[THB]

i think that education can't hurt... like rick said, the muir valley steward program has worked well for them...

i was at bob marley the other day and 2 guys were peeing under the overhangs (between betavul pipeline and el encuentro), so i explained to them why you shouldn't pee in a spot like that and what a better alternative was... i wasn't rude about it, and i don't think they were offended when i corrected them... they said that they just thought that you shouldn't pee in the actual cave itself (i.e. from 50 words to betavul). they were from out of town. when i saw it happening it seemed like common sense to me, you just don't pee anywhere inside (or even close to) the drip line... but they seemed uneducated about the reasons why...

maybe incorporating some of this education into rocktoberfest would help reach the masses? do a slide show before showing the "premier" movie? try to get the rocktoberfest participants to take a few hours out of their weekend to work on some of the rehabilitation projects? maybe some of this is already happening at the rocktoberfests? i don't know because i've only been to the past 2, and i've only attended very little of the actual "fest"...

maybe i'm wrong... but i'm willing to do what i can to help... i'd be happy to head up some sort of operation like this for the coalition... rick, josie, paul, etc... pm me if this sounds appealing... i'll try to go to the next coalition meeting that is open to the public

[Clevis Hitch]

This shit is so funny, it's not even funny! I mean another climber with land in Kentucky closing ANOTHER crag because of climbing "impact". Fucking priceless! I couldn't buy irony this funny!

[Climbingrocks]

Why not charge to climb in the PMRP or muir? I don't understand why it has to be free. Charging would either thin the crowds or make shitloads of money, both of which would be nice.

Seriously, why hasn't this been tried?