Stick Clip & Flying....

[dustonian]

Ya gotta be kidding me... climbing consumerism gone nuts. Ever heard of a branch and roll of tape? It ain't called a stick clip for nothing! The first bolts aren't even that high in the Red Rock.

[climb2core]

Ya gotta be kidding me... climbing consumerism gone nuts. Ever heard of a branch and roll of tape? It ain't called a stick clip for nothing! The first bolts aren't even that high in the Red Rock.

Guess I am just weak sauce...
Not a lot of trees at red rocks, when you are there, you do what ever you want Dustin. For me the stick clip is worth the 20 bucks to guarantee there is a stick clip when I need it.

[dustonian]

Plenty of trees in the canyons and at the tourist crags you'll be at there will likely be a "crag stick" at the base. Honestly, I climbed at RR for years & never once needed a stick clip. Just be sure it winds up in a landfill when you leave.

[climb2core]

Gonna give it away jackass

[dustonian]

Perhaps a painting crew will appreciate your largesse. Be sure to hit up some limestone while you're there, better sport really at Clark, Charleston etc. and you may actually need the stick up there.

[lena_chita]

Dustonian-- why do you think it would up in a landfill? We gave it away to another climber (local to the area where we climbed) who mentioned that he was thinking of buying a pole to replace his recently broken one.

[dustonian]

If it can find a good home, great. In all honesty those cheap painter's poles are disposable pieces of shite anyway, they seem to last about a climbing season or two before crapping out. And in my experience living in CA & NV, few climbers actually own a dedicated "pole clip"... they come out here and laugh at our dependence on this extra piece of equipment. But there's just something about the low, steep, wet-sandy cruxes here that make it seem less fruity in the Red, I suppose.

IMO if you must stick clip while on the road, a roll of tape & the occasional branch/crag stick (as at Rifle or Mt. Charleston), or else borrowing from locals, is more than adequate at 95% of the crags out there. The Red Rock sport crags in particular generally have low first bolts and easy opening moves... plus, think of all the visiting climbers to the RRG--few of them arrive with a painter's pole tucked away in their checked baggage, despite the frequently high first bolts and low cruxes here! I've actually started thinking about the plight of the visiting Euro etc. when I position the first bolt on routes now... on certain routes around here it seems kind of ludicrously high if you don't happen to wield an 18' circus pole at all times (like moi!)...

[climb2core]

I often see people in the Red climbing up to a high first bolt off belay. I have offered them a stick clip and they have declined. I then tell them I will decline offering to help carry them out if they fall. I guess I am not old school enough. I think there is at least s reasonable chance that I could end up at a crag with a high first bolt and nothing to clip with. I really dont see the need to even potentially put myself at risk when a preventative and cheap solution is readily available. Look at what happened to Phil... Even if the odds are only one in a hundred, it is not something I want to bet on even in Vegas. To each their own. Lastly, like Lena mentioned... I will make sure the stuck clip finds a good home and I am pretty sure I won't have to head over to the painters convention on the strip.

[dustonian]

You should totally get up to Robber's Roost or the Hood at Charleston, the VRG if you like highway noise, or better yet if you have a couple days and high clearance, Clark Mtn--best limestone in the US, hands down. Put that long skinny pole of yours to work!!

[climb2core]

You should totally get up to Robber's Roost or the Hood at Charleston, the VRG if you like highway noise, or better yet if you have a couple days and high clearance, Clark Mtn--best limestone in the US, hands down. Put that long skinny pole of yours to work!!

Climbed at VRG and Charleston. Both awesome. But going with gf that climbs 5.10, who is sick of climbing cold and wet and isn't a big fan of long approaches. We will see, maybe we will head up to Charleston for a day... Thanks for the advice!