Guides at Military today

[cliftongifford]

Who gets guides if you are working 12's? Seriously.

Gym climbers under 18.

[Andrew]

Maybe we need to just agree on a grade limit for large groups. If it is, for example, under 5.11a it is open for groups. If you are on a rock climbing forum, calling yourself a rock climber, and complaining because someone hogged the 5.10a, you should be ashamed of yourself.

haha damn now to be considered a "real climber" I have to climb above 5.11. Only in the red..

Where have you been??? Rock climbing starts at 5.12... Being seen on 5.11 is embarrassing even as warm-ups

[bcombs]

Maybe we need to just agree on a grade limit for large groups. If it is, for example, under 5.11a it is open for groups. If you are on a rock climbing forum, calling yourself a rock climber, and complaining because someone hogged the 5.10a, you should be ashamed of yourself.

haha damn now to be considered a "real climber" I have to climb above 5.11. Only in the red..

Where have you been??? Rock climbing starts at 5.12... Being seen on 5.11 is embarrassing even as warm-ups

Yeah, I just said it was open to groups, not that is was real climbing. Rock climbing starts as 5.12 or 8a depending on who you ask.

[dustonian]

Going to Military on a weekend is asking for it, man... duh.

[DHB]

Tried to google RockMetro and came back with nothing. Did you mean Metro Rock? Well.. maybe not. I can't find anything on their site about a trip to the Red. Anyway, are you sure it was a paid guide. How do you know five people from some gym didn't decide to make a trip down, and that group suddenly turned into 20 as more people hear about it and realized it would fit in nicely on Spring Break? If they had lines on 11s and 12s, then do they really need a guide (though you make it sounds like they may not have been 11 and 12 climbers)? If I load five people in my Jeep and make them pay for gas and buy me a pizza afterward, does that make me a paid guide?

Nothing better than getting paid in pizza.

[pigsteak]

Nothing better than getting paid in pizza.

i can think of afew

[captain static]

The preliminary read from the USFS is that a business named Metro Rock from MA does not have a Special Use Permit for guiding in Red River Gorge. They are going to check further to see if any inquiry was made by such a business about a Special Use Permit. If no inquiry was made then I will contact Metro Rock. I will also make a post on RC.com about guiding.

Large groups are a concern in relation to LAC because they have the potential to increase impacts beyong the Limits of Acceptable Change, triggering the need for management actions. Just like Bob, the USFS expects climbers to police themselves. Next time you see a large commercial group in RRG, ask who is in charge and then ask the person in charge if they have a Special Use Permit. (Note: college groups are not currently required to get a permit) If you are sure that it is a commercial group and they do not have a permit, ask them to leave or else you will contact the rangers.

There will be a section in the Climbing Management Plan on guiding. One possibility would be to develop a crag just for guided groups, kinda like they have groupp campgrounds.

[Rotarypwr345704]

The preliminary read from the USFS is that a business named Metro Rock from MA does not have a Special Use Permit for guiding in Red River Gorge. They are going to check further to see if any inquiry was made by such a business about a Special Use Permit. If no inquiry was made then I will contact Metro Rock. I will also make a post on RC.com about guiding.

Large groups are a concern in relation to LAC because they have the potential to increase impacts beyong the Limits of Acceptable Change, triggering the need for management actions. Just like Bob, the USFS expects climbers to police themselves. Next time you see a large commercial group in RRG, ask who is in charge and then ask the person in charge if they have a Special Use Permit. (Note: college groups are not currently required to get a permit) If you are sure that it is a commercial group and they do not have a permit, ask them to leave or else you will contact the rangers.

There will be a section in the Climbing Management Plan on guiding. One possibility would be to develop a crag just for guided groups, kinda like they have groupp campgrounds.

I ask this because I don't know, and don't mean this arrogantly as it my appear. But who are you? And because of who you are what gives me the right to ask someone to leave? I ask because I, as I'm sure others are, am uniformed. And I think it's a good idea that if we as a collective group decide that we're going to do something (this case ask people to disperse) We understand the whole issue, and who says what is right/wrong and who has authority to take such actions. I hope that didn't come off arrogant, I am just hoping to be informed

[captain static]

I ask this because I don't know, and don't mean this arrogantly as it my appear. But who are you?

I am one of several climbers who attended sometimes monthly meetings with the Forest Service over a more than three year period involved in the Limits of Acceptable Change (LAC) process and am currently writing the first draft of a Climbing Management Plan for Red River Gorge. If you would like to learn more about who I am, LAC, and the draft CMP, attend the next RRGCC meeting on Sat. April 30, 20011 @ Torrent Falls - http://rrgcc.org/rrgcc-open-meeting-sat ... l-30-2011/

[dustonian]

I am one of several climbers who attended sometimes monthly meetings with the Forest Service over a more than three year period involved in the Limits of Acceptable Change (LAC) process and am currently writing the first draft of a Climbing Management Plan for Red River Gorge. If you would like to learn more about who I am, LAC, and the draft CMP, attend the next RRGCC meeting on Sat. April 30, 20011 @ Torrent Falls - http://rrgcc.org/rrgcc-open-meeting-sat ... l-30-2011/

20011... about the year the LAC actually starts working!

J/K... thanks for all the hard work Cap'n!