Iniquity vs. Cell Block Six

[pigsteak]

walking up to Midnight Surf befor there were any bolts, with vines three foot deep right up to the cliff, was an amazing feeling. second time I went back with Rick and we were just amazed at the steepness of the wall. glad it turned out so well.

[shear]

Both great routes. Both right on for the grade. Inequity requires TECHNIQUE for the start. Seems like anything requiring one to use a footer that isn't a huge incut bucket receives cries of "UPGRADE!" in the Red. It's 12b...and easier than CBS.

[NEOD]

Shear,
I resent your implication that because I think Cell Block Six is easier than Iniquity, that I must not have any technique. I feel the other argument could be made that because you think Cell Block is harder, you must not have any power.

[shear]

Resent away...but it's easier.

Iniquity has a no hands half way through the route too. a no hands after the first 10 feet, and uses bigger holds = easier.

[Rollo]

Having an over-inflated grade on a sport route somehow diminishes my personal experience with the climb. I am sure not everyone feels this way but regardless I wouldn't want to take away from other climbers enjoyment.

I totally agree with this... i used to get pissed when people would say one route was "way" harder than another but they were still the same grade. i didn't get it then. Since then i've gotten on a few routes that i was excited about the new grade i'd be pushing into just to discover they were push overs... not gratifying.

I'm totally with pigsteak on the cheater stone crap as well.

glad someone posted this thread though cuz now i'm psyched to go try both of these routes even though i would've passed them up thinking they are out of my league! they may well be but i wanna decide for myself on the hardness factor now.

And i'm gonna do what Andrew says... less moves is my motto!