A better way to report bad bolts

[SCIN]

Go to Tools-->Preferences and you can adjust the number of routes/comments you see on your home page. Also, there's a link to show the latest 100 comments at the top of the page when you click on the number of comments since last login. Here's the direct link: http://www.redriverclimbing.com/RRCGuid ... n&view=100

I think we've done more than enough we can do here to focus on bad bolts. I'd rather focus on the fun stuff about climbing on this site. The bolts thing sounds super boring. I mean, it's important and stuff but man super boring. Rhunt is right with what he said.

[Redpoint]

O great, thanks, I just set it to most recent routes 10 and it worked.

Ya maybe the Team Suck website can just develop a public database since that is where bad bolts are reported to. If not, dang I would have liked to see it. Here is some motivation to do it Team Suck, the whole "look how many bad bolts there are, maybe I should donate" reason seems like it would help out a lot.

[rhunt]

It's a bad precedent/slippery slope this tread in trying to protect newbies from themselves. Yeah it sucks that almost every weekend a beginner/inexperienced/newbie climber at the Red ends up in the hospital. Yet the push should be in how the better educate and train them, not to have the fixed gear police out making sure every draw hanging on a wall is "safe" or to have a database where climbers can read what bolts are good or bad and thus mindlessly trust bolts without looking at them and making their own judgments.

It seems that maybe there is a need right now for some other advocacy group, other than the RRGCC or Access Fund, out there as an educational organization. Climbing gyms aren't doing it and they shouldn't have to and mentorship is a thing of the 90's.

Anyways I am off track and on my usual rant.... Back to the death bolt database...

[KD]

another database could be like a rating system for threads - kind of like a grade. if a thread has valuable and/or important information in it it could get stars. There could be a star-button on the page. If a thread was dum it could have a dur-de-dur button on it as well. so a really important thread would have say - five starts and a real dum thread would have dur-de-dur-de-dur-de-dur-de-dur-de-dur

[Andrew]

This one gets a....

dur-de-dur-de-dur-de-dur-de-dur-de-du

[toad857]

Yet the push should be in how the better educate and train them, not to have the fixed gear police

i think that an accessible "bad bolt" list would be more of the former, and not the latter. it'd be more of a "food for thought" kind of thing than a literal bolt-guide, in my opinion.

anyway it's kind of a stretch i guess, but an interesting thought.

[dustonian]

I agree with rhunt. The majority of RRG climbers need to learn how to belay properly before they start worrying about what they deem a "bad bolt." When was the last time a bolt actually failed in the Red? I heard of one such instance in the Lode in the last 10 years, but that's about it.

This thread is totally boring and dumb. The current bolt reporting system is more than adequate and goes well beyond almost any other climbing area I can think of.

[bcombs]

Ahem - some of you are really starting to sound like the crankiest of the cranky old farts.

I'm all for self policing and people fixing things themselves. All the way up to the point where some jack ass puts a redhead in a steep route to "fix it". Hey, they are available at Lowe's! People build houses with shit from Lowe's. It has to be good enough for rock climbing!

[lena_chita]

O.K., I guess I should have looked on teamsuckclimbing.com first, bc some of the information I wanted is there already.

http://www.teamsuckclimbing.com/bolts.php

The list of bolts that have been replaced is easy to understand/look through.

The list of routes that need some love though... not so much. I wish there was a way to sort it by route name and date the comment was posted. And to remove the comments about the routes when the bolts have been replaced... I wonder, if there were a big button at the top of online guidebook, or the forum page to link directly to that list: "Check this list. Routes that need some loving. Donate to teamsuck"-- would it increase awareness/donations?

[ahab]

redpoint, the most effective way to drop your chances of clipping a bad bolt to 0.00% is to...wait for it...never clip any bolts at all. i know, mind boggling.

seems like you're already a real gear-o-phile. take the next step. cracks await you, my friend.