anchor draws from the Rifleman
Re: anchor draws from the Rifleman
almost forgot.....arrrrrrr! there be booty up there, and me anchor seems to gone adrift, will be no floating away tonight as i count me treasure, arrrrrrr!
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I was on Seek The Truth recently and thought I saw booty on the second and third bolts. Got to the top and found two more draws on the anchors. That was when I realized that I could easily grab my draw off the fourth, climb up and get my first, and leave the rest. Somebody left that crap to make my life easier.... sooooo, not booty.
Two draws on the anchors of a route with nothing else? Kinda weird. Why would anyone do that? People put leaver biners on the chains sometimes for convinience of all. They don't expect to get 'em back though... It's community service. That's why they are called LEAVER biners.. cuz you leave them.
Sorry about your project draws One-Fall, but the reason nobody batted an eye is cuz it was clear cut theft. People are douche bags inherently. This on the other hand is fun to debate!
Two draws on the anchors of a route with nothing else? Kinda weird. Why would anyone do that? People put leaver biners on the chains sometimes for convinience of all. They don't expect to get 'em back though... It's community service. That's why they are called LEAVER biners.. cuz you leave them.
Sorry about your project draws One-Fall, but the reason nobody batted an eye is cuz it was clear cut theft. People are douche bags inherently. This on the other hand is fun to debate!
And on the third day, God created the Red River Gorge(by conjecture), and he saw that it was good.
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OK, I thought I would chime in here after lurking around this debate
for a couple days. First off, I took the draws (and the leaver oval
biner just below them). I did not think they were project draws; why
would someone leave two brand new draws on just the anchor of a
vertical sport climb? I assumed that they had been forgotten or left
by gumbies. Second, I bootied them three weekends ago, in mid-Oct;
does that mean that you left them for TWO full weekends, and expected
to find them when you returned?
When I first saw this thread, I almost was going to give them back.
Honestly, I would have, if you had indicated that it was a mistake and
you had forgotten them, or it got dark and you had to leave, or even
if you had exhibited the slightest hint of apology or deference, and
admitted that it makes no sense whatsoever to leave "project draws"
hanging on anchors only. But instead I decided to see where the
debate went, and gauged your response, toadguy.
I'm sorry if I am seeming a jerk, or if I have violated some unspoken
bro-code amongst fellow lazy-ass climbers. But seriously, if you knew
any climbing history about the vulgarians or the stonemasters, you
would damn well know that picking off the remains left by gumbies and
grommets is a time-honored tradition amongst climbers. I have climbed
quite a bit around the continent, and am pretty familiar with a
variety of regional ethics and styles, but I have NEVER known of a
consensus that two brand new draws left on only anchors were anything
but booty.
If you had left a draw at the crux, if you had left the whole route
fixed, if it had been steep enough to warrant a safety cleaning draw,
or if it was ultra cruxy to clip the anchors, I would have left the
draws out of respect. It was none of those. All I saw was that
someone was lazy and sloppy enough to leave two draws on the anchor so
he wouldn't have to go to the terrible hassle of untying and threading
the chains. I now see that my assessment was spot on.
So, congrats, you lose, deadbeat! Ive included a photo of your dear
draws for your personal records. Have a nice day, and clean up your
goddamned gear on public land; this isn't the cooking area at
Miguel's, slob. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
p.s. I intend to refix the draws on an established, commonly projected route, OFF of Forest Service land.
for a couple days. First off, I took the draws (and the leaver oval
biner just below them). I did not think they were project draws; why
would someone leave two brand new draws on just the anchor of a
vertical sport climb? I assumed that they had been forgotten or left
by gumbies. Second, I bootied them three weekends ago, in mid-Oct;
does that mean that you left them for TWO full weekends, and expected
to find them when you returned?
When I first saw this thread, I almost was going to give them back.
Honestly, I would have, if you had indicated that it was a mistake and
you had forgotten them, or it got dark and you had to leave, or even
if you had exhibited the slightest hint of apology or deference, and
admitted that it makes no sense whatsoever to leave "project draws"
hanging on anchors only. But instead I decided to see where the
debate went, and gauged your response, toadguy.
I'm sorry if I am seeming a jerk, or if I have violated some unspoken
bro-code amongst fellow lazy-ass climbers. But seriously, if you knew
any climbing history about the vulgarians or the stonemasters, you
would damn well know that picking off the remains left by gumbies and
grommets is a time-honored tradition amongst climbers. I have climbed
quite a bit around the continent, and am pretty familiar with a
variety of regional ethics and styles, but I have NEVER known of a
consensus that two brand new draws left on only anchors were anything
but booty.
If you had left a draw at the crux, if you had left the whole route
fixed, if it had been steep enough to warrant a safety cleaning draw,
or if it was ultra cruxy to clip the anchors, I would have left the
draws out of respect. It was none of those. All I saw was that
someone was lazy and sloppy enough to leave two draws on the anchor so
he wouldn't have to go to the terrible hassle of untying and threading
the chains. I now see that my assessment was spot on.
So, congrats, you lose, deadbeat! Ive included a photo of your dear
draws for your personal records. Have a nice day, and clean up your
goddamned gear on public land; this isn't the cooking area at
Miguel's, slob. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
p.s. I intend to refix the draws on an established, commonly projected route, OFF of Forest Service land.
Last edited by Spirited on Sat Nov 06, 2010 2:02 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Spirited, personally, your response shows that you are a douche bag. You are a thief and a liar. I am certain you would not leave a draw if it would have been at the crux, as you would have assumed it was used as a bail biner for someone. I do hope that one day you leave something of value to be found by others and that you do not get it returned. You are a piece of shit in the climbing community for your attitude. Not that you would take them, it seems alot of people here would, but that you would be such a prick and admit that you did and have no intent of returning them. Take two of my draws sometime, then post about it, and see what happens if we ever meet in the woods....
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Spirited, I like the cut of your jib. You will fit in well around here.
Living the dream
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Now that is funny right there. Cheers, Spirited!
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Re: anchor draws from the Rifleman
I can't believe anyone would look at those draws and think they weren't booty some dumbass left behind. Let me guess, y'all are Urban Climber subscribers...
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toad, care to explain?Spirited wrote:First off, I took the draws (and the leaver oval
biner just below them).
must've been the community-leaver-biner-just-below-the-two-community-leaver-anchor-draws, right?
dude, don't sweat it. everybody bails on a climb at some point. next time, however, don't start a thread crying about someone "stealing" you're gear...
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