Miguels raising money for steel

[dssclimb]

Bill Ramsey took that same fall in the Video 'Naskarma' back when he and Manboy were trying to see who could get closer to the ground. Also i think I put a steel biner on the second and third to last on Omaha a year ago.

[pigsteak]

why don't people adopt a route they want to put steel on, and go do the work too..maybe a bit of ownership will help....

That's exactly what i did

you sure did...and a huge thx chief!

[rhunt]

Artsay - this issue isn't how far the climbers fell or what factor fall it was, its that fact that they did it to begin with. It's that we feel we need to protect those idiots from themselves. It goes back to the discussion of dumbing down rock climbing to the lowest common idiot. Making that specific situation safer by making sure the draws are steel isn't really helping. Why should we spend any money or time enabling people to make poor decisions? Did anyone at the lode that day say anything to those two or did everyone just have a good laugh and thought it was cool?

[Artsay]

But Rob - they saw it in 'Naskarma' so it's okay to do right?

And who says we're doing this to protect those kids? I'm psyched on it to protect my friends and me, the folks climbing these routes all the time and RRG locals. I'm sick of climbing routes with someone else's fixed nasty gear and having to trade out sketchy biners all the time (can't tell you how many Ray and I have replaced this Fall already). The steel draws are not a catch all solution but they are a sustainable option for decreasing route maintenance and increasing safety because they are a much more durable alternative to aluminum.

BTW, you're preaching to the choir. Education is key but it is not a guarantee. Just ask any school system trying to prevent teen pregnancy and spreading of SDTs; sure ,they educate but they also make condoms readily available to sexually active teens.

[dustonian]

I agree with that for sure... getting kinda tired of trashy old fixed gear too. Can't even really give a route a good onsight burn without checking all the biners to see if they're sharp first.... Thanks Michelle and Dario!

[rhunt]

Michelle - When I look at the big picture and put myself in yours and ray's shoes, I completely agree. RRO said it best - this is just part of the growing pains the Red is going through as we enter into a "world class status". I just hope everyone sees the long term big picture and precedents being made and thus make a solid well thought out decision. I am just old and crusty, I feel a sense of ownership for the Red and just want to see things remain the same which is not going to happen.

I will be down this weekend so I hope to stop by Miguel's and throw in some cash for the steel.

[local]

Thanks everyone for attending this weekend. We were able to raise 1400 dollars and plan on putting that towards equipment from Michelle......thanks again

[dustonian]

Damn that's a lot of draws!!

[RRO]

good job D