Just Curious As To The "Lame" Comment

[dustonian]

QuickSilver - they are referring to gyms that don't live up to the standards of Hoosier Heights, a gym I know personally to take safety very seriously and offer training in the outdoor experience (on top of the many classes about climbing taught there and outside). While there are other gyms that offer that, there are many who don't.

suck up....

Right... I meant every gym EXCEPT for Hoosier Heights... of course.

[Rollo]

this is kentucky--the ones who grow up in the woods are precisely the ones who don't clean up their own shit.

I too take offense to this. I grew up in these Kentucky woods and I was staring at cliffs for years wishing I knew how to climb. At the same time I was throwing beer cans around in the woods and etc.
However, I learned differently when I went to college. That is where I learned to climb inside a gym and outside a gym. I also learned about taking care of the land you live on and play on.

It is not about where you grow up, whether city or country, it is about education.

...and, was this place of higher education located in the woods?

[vertical1]

As far as cleaning up there own "shit", most city folks I know would not dare shit in the wodds, but would rather hike out, or just hold it. Takes more of a country person to do that. Not pointing fingers, just making observations. Now, leaving trash around crags...sure, blame people from big cities, but not for shit in the woods.

[tbwilsonky]

only siths deal in absolutes. i learned that on my couch...

[dustonian]

oh yeah, and Bluegrass Bouldering too. You gotta cut me some slack, Quick-judger. I come to this gentle hamlet as a refugee scarred from way too many years of guiding and working in soulless megacorporate gym-chises in San Francisco and Manhattan.

[tbwilsonky]

they have gyms in New York Citeeeee? gosh-o.

[whatahutch]

this is kentucky--the ones who grow up in the woods are precisely the ones who don't clean up their own shit.

I too take offense to this. I grew up in these Kentucky woods and I was staring at cliffs for years wishing I knew how to climb. At the same time I was throwing beer cans around in the woods and etc.
However, I learned differently when I went to college. That is where I learned to climb inside a gym and outside a gym. I also learned about taking care of the land you live on and play on.

It is not about where you grow up, whether city or country, it is about education.

...and, was this place of higher education located in the woods?

I don't get your point Rollo. I wouldn't call any part a forest, but the campus is called "The Campus Beautiful." It was no where near an inner-city university if that is what you are asking.

[climb2core]

Hey Dustonian,
Whats the deal with the "Lame" for profit gym comment.

Wow, I think you are looking for a fight... Pretty sure Dustonian meant something like this:

People are willing to routinely spend $8 to climb at an indoor climbing facility that doesn't have beautiful natural rock faces and could never come close to providing us with countless classic climbs like Jesus Wept or Cell Block 6, or...you pick. Yet they view it as their right to climb at places like Muir and then talk shit about the owners when they decide to shut the crag(s) down because of lack of climbing community support for the very places they climb. Dustonian is trying to say that compared to CLIMBING at Muir, CLIMBING at any indoor climbing gym is lame...

Now, he didn't have to go and pick on Ohio... considering I am the guy (from Ohio) that found his shoes and made sure he had them for climbing the next week end. Oh, and I found someone to take them to him at the gym in Ohio...

[whatahutch]

Rollo, I started thinking about your question (or whatever it was). I am not at all talking about education as in highly educated climbers take care of the natural areas better. I am saying that everyone needs to be educated in proper outdoor ethics and practices. Whether they are taught the LNT methods or just respect for the land. In the same way they need to be educated for safety over climbing, not the reverse. Education in the broader sense of the word. New climbers should be given a well rounded education about climbing and outdoor ethics no matter where they grew up.

[Meadows]

suck up....

And what would I be sucking up to get?