thanks very much

[Rags]

Maybe it was my fault for going to the red on memorial day weekend. perhaps I should have known better and left it to the visiting masses.

but I didn't. Instead I took my 6 year old for a day in the woods and on the rock.

but a BIG thank you to the older fellows from Cinci who arrived around 2pm, threw their gear on my rope bag and loudly proclaimed that they "have dibs" on the route we were on. Thanks for sitting directly under the route and discussing the merits of stinky climbing shoes. I appreciated the fact that I had to ask you to move to allow me to rap down without landing on you.

I thought I was being somewhat safe when I chose a predominantly trad crag and it seemed that the other people at the crag that day were all cool with each other but it seemed that you were intent on climbing father and son. After all, it's a stellar route, I'm sure you needed THAT route to add your 20 year climbing resume. In all of that time, have you learned no manners? I'm sorry if I kinked up your flow, sir. It was a family outing and we weren't hogging the route all day--we had been on it 15 minutes...

Thanks for huffing a lot while my 6 year old climbed a little (swung a lot). Your actions spoke much louder than your vocabulary.

[overhung]

I've said it before, the activity of climbing attracts more assholes per capita than any other sport. Just my opinion.

[Andrew]

Trad climbers are stupid. You should have went to the lode on saturday, there was barely anyone there.

[JR]

Sorry your dreams for this weekend were not realized. But.....

I wonder if your kid gives a shit about what is going on in your head when your ideal day is ruined.

This reminds me of the guy that yells at cars that are going too fast in his neighborhood. His kids are having fun and wondering why Daddy is so angry all the time...But rest assured they will grow up and do the same thing. The circle is complete.

[KD]

Climbing is getting too popular - I havent been to the Red on a weekend in about two years now. During the week it cleans out a lot but the weekends are ridiculous.

[bcombs]

Again, as Andrew stated.. we went to three cliffs on Saturday and saw only a handful of people. You can't seriously expect to go to Global Village on Memorial Day weekend and not have to stand in line. (Not directed to you, Rags. Sounds like those guys were just dicks.)

[jordancolburn]

I usually go on a nice weekend expecting craziness, but am usually happily suprised. Only a few times have I run into big groups who drop ropes on everything then just stand around. Staying to trad crags is good, as is anything with a real approach. Avoid obvious things like bruisebrothers and roadside. Even places in muir like washboard and the bowling alley are ususally not bad.

[cliftongifford]

Staying to trad crags is good, as is anything with a real approach...

Although this can be a good idea, sometimes it backfires. when you've spent 30 minutes walking uphill to get to a remote spot...... and boom, a party of 8 shows up 20 minutes behind you. here you've spent all this time to get a little seclusion and the next thing you know tom petty is blaring from someone's ipod while you're trying to get out of the way of someone setting up their hammock... it's a circus out there, stay home.

[pigsteak]

actually jordan,, washboard and bowling alley are bad...really, I've climbed there.

[jordancolburn]

actually jordan,, washboard and bowling alley are bad...really, I've climbed there.

Really?! We mustve been lucky then. I think I might have seen you out at washboard one time. Only run into one other climbing group there and never anyone at bowling alley, and I've been to each a few times.