School Groups

[One-Fall]

Last two posts are perfect. Anyway to make that happen?

[Clevis Hitch]

You can't do it...To ask them for money or to put up rules could begin to infringe on the "non-profit" status. I'm sure that something could be set up but how do you enforce it? Climbing Police? You gonna call the sheriff and get them a ticket for tresspassing?Superfluous rules are just that. People who game the system are always going to find a way. People who put their charity out there are always going to get played. You just do what you do because thats who you are and you just butch-up and suffer the assholes.

[clif]

i reject that.

give assholes the publicity they deserve.

[kdelap]

climbed at looking glass a year ago or so and by the time we finished the rap to the final set of anchors, Fox Mtn Guides had a TR on every route below us. We had to pendulum 40ft or so just to get to a set of rings to reach the ground. I bet they had 12+ routes set up on TR with 20 or 30 kids running around the base. pain in the ass. it's everywhere. the sport has exploded due to gyms... this is why when I head to the Red during busy days (i.e. weekends) I tend to gravitate towards the more obscure trad walls. went to long wall on friday and didn't run into a single climber all day long.... it was hard to believe that a route as beautful as rock wars went all day on a beautiful warm spring friday without getting sent.

Clifton,

I am sorry that you had perceived that Fox Mountain Guides had this many ropes up. We have company policies that don't allow this. We usually don't even use the bolts and instead build trad anchors off route on rock that isn't considered a route. We try to let parties coming down the "nose" area rap our rope to speed their descents up if they choose so. Many times people think we are "hogging" the anchors because we are so sly about working in-between the camp groups and in-between routes that they think it is our party. To have 12+ routes up would have meant that we had 36 clients out that day. We cap our days around 12 total and the forest service regulations only allow 20 in a group.

So next time before judging and slandering, ask a Fox Mountain Guide if you could use our rope. I think you will be pleasantly surprised!

Cheers,

Karsten Delap

[Josephine]

Last two posts are perfect. Anyway to make that happen?

if anyone wants to give back by doing a trail day - like Driskell has and Anticlmber is going to do on May 15th - PM me. As long as I have 2 weeks notice, I can help you set one up in the PMRP. Or if I have lots of notice (2-3 months) we might be able to do one on FS land (military/left-flank/pebble beach).

If your group wants to do a trail day in Muir Valley, the Webers could use the help. I'm sure if you PM Weber or Liz Weber they can help you on your way to giving back in Muir.

[michaelarmand]

How cool would it be to send a small care package courtesy of RRGCC or the Access Fund with some LNT practices for big groups, suggestions for places to climb, handful of wag bags and some schwag (stickers and what not from manufacturers) for local colleges, BSA troops, trip leaders, etc?

Umm, bad idea. This is not the purpose of these organizations. And why promote big groups in the first place?

[OSUbuckeye]

My only big complaint is the groups "camping" on routes, sending 10 people up the same route. Other than that, four guys standing three feet below a girl yelling beta at her is slightly annoying.

15 May trail day? Where and when, I'll play.

[Josephine]

15 May trail day? Where and when, I'll play.

When - 9-2
Where - Darkside

ps - bring something nice for Anti - it's his b-day