no hate, but it is annoying when every time one of the groups climbers makes any move whatsoever and the designated 'yeller' yells, "SICK! SOLID! NIIIICCCCE!!!" and then starts spewing "beta" at an alarmingly usless rate. other climbers do this too, but the college groups tend to be abusive about it.
just sayin'.
drivel wrote:
Flip55 wrote:What is everyones stance on college outdoor pursuits groups? I hear they are not welcomed. ..... Why all the hate?
the stress of climbing near so many people belaying so poorly.
A lot of outdoor pursuits groups do not respect the regulations and requests of landowners and such... be it out of ignorance, indifference, or perception of entitlement...
I started to make a pdf that could be sent out to universities in the region to outline some general considerations of which most 'trip-leaders' are ignorant (or don't care), but it fell by the wayside a while ago. probably would be a useful resource for those folks if it were to just pop into their mailboxes one day....especially around spring break time.
e.g.:
-big group going to roadside like you've done every year since 2003? not such a good idea.
-lowering through anchors after cleaning? poor ethics
-pooping 'round the corner? please don't (include photo of motherlode ground-zero-poop-spot)
etc etc etc
toad857 wrote:A lot of outdoor pursuits groups do not respect the regulations and requests of landowners and such... be it out of ignorance, indifference, or perception of entitlement...
I started to make a pdf that could be sent out to universities in the region to outline some general considerations of which most 'trip-leaders' are ignorant (or don't care), but it fell by the wayside a while ago. probably would be a useful resource for those folks if it were to just pop into their mailboxes one day....especially around spring break time.
e.g.:
-big group going to roadside like you've done every year since 2003? not such a good idea.
-lowering through anchors after cleaning? poor ethics
-pooping 'round the corner? please don't (include photo of motherlode ground-zero-poop-spot)
etc etc etc
How cool would it be to send a small care package courtesy of RRGCC or the Access Fund with some LNT practices for big groups, suggestions for places to climb, handful of wag bags and some schwag (stickers and what not from manufacturers) for local colleges, BSA troops, trip leaders, etc?
School groups tend to have limited TRAINED leadership. Thus they must hang out all together. wait impatiently, and can't split up into smaller groups that move out all over the Red. 10 all in one place yapping about their one climb of the day is because they don't have a real climbing leader PER 3 or 4 climbers and are not in a comfort level where they can go off on their own to do some climbs. Kinda sucks I agree. Wish there was an accessable top rope-only area that is unpopular among the regulars, where the groups could all hang out together. Preferably close to the road so rescue services can access them quickly too. Any suggested areas?
Andrew wrote:The problem that I have seen with some college groups is the hogging of routes. They will get somewhere early, hang a bunch of popular easy routes, and then sit there all day and not let anyone else climb.
This.
I don't mind quite as much here in the Red, but I've had a few experiences on roadtrips (including once at Seneca) where this was the case. After a 7 hour drive and a 1+ hour hike, arriving at a crag to find it overrun with topropes a group is unwilling to share or even move aside is more than a small irritation.
"Always carry a large flagon of whiskey in case of snakebite and furthermore always carry a small snake." -W.C. Fields
Whip there ass for being assholes and take their ropes down and climb the route. Although I doubt it would come to that if you play nice. Most koledge kids I've met are easy enough to get along with. It's the crusty old chuffer assholes who don't want anyone climbing at "their" crag who are the ones that are difficult.
If you give a man a match, he'll be warm for a minute. If you set him on fire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life!
