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Wes
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Post by Wes »

Um, let me get back to you on this in a week or so...

But, in general the highs outnumber the lows by a pretty respectable margin. And, I surely can't complain about much, I have been pretty lucky in a lot of things.

From one of the better books on life, The Tao of Pooh:
The ease with which such opposites may change places is depicted in a Taoist story about a farmer whose horse ran away.

His neighbor commiserated only to be told, "Who knows what's good or bad?" It was true. The next day the horse returned, bringing with it a drove of wild horses it had befriended in its wanderings. The neighbor came over again, this time to congratulate the farmer on his windfall. He was met with the same observation: "Who knows what is good or bad?" True this time too; the next day the farmer's son tried to mount one of the wild horses and fell off, breaking his leg. Back came the neighbor, this time with more commiserations, only to encounter for the third time the same response, "Who knows what is good or bad?" And once again the farmer's point was well taken, for the following day soldiers came by commandeering for the army and because of his injury, the son was not drafted.
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There was once a stonecutter who was dissatisfied with himself and with his position in life.

One day, he passed a wealthy merchant's house and through the open gateway saw many fine possessions and important visitors.

"How powerful that merchant must be!" thought the stonecutter. He became very envious, and wished that he could be like the merchant. Then he would no longer have to live the life of a mere stonecutter.

To his great surprise, he suddenly became the merchant, enjoying more luxuries and power than he had ever dreamed of, envied and detested by those less wealthy than himself. But soon a high official passed by, carried in a sedan chair, accompanied by attendants, and escorted by soldiers beating gongs. Everyone, no matter how wealthy, had to bow low before the procession.

"How powerful that official is!" he thought. "I wish that I could be a high official!"

Then he became the high official, carried everywhere in his embroidered sedan chair, feared and hated by the people all around, who had to bow down before him as he passed. It was a hot summer day, and the official felt very uncomfortable in the sticky sedan chair. He looked up at the sun. It shone proudly in the sky, unaffected by his presence.

"How powerful the sun is!" he thought. "
I wish that I could be the sun!"

Then he became the sun, shining fiercely down on everyone, scorching the fields, cursed by the farmers and labourers. But a huge black cloud moved between him and the earth, so that his light could no longer shine on everything below.

"How powerful that storm cloud is!" he thought. "I wish that I could be a cloud!"

Then he became the cloud, flooding the fields and villages, shouted at by everyone. But soon he found that he was being pushed away by some great force, and realized that it was the wind.

"How powerful it is!" he thought. "I wish that I could be the wind!"
Then he became the wind, blowing tiles off the roofs of houses, uprooting trees, hated and feared by all below him. But after a while, he ran up against something that would not move, no matter how forcefully he blew against it -- a huge, towering stone.

"How powerful that stone is!" he thought. "I wish that I could be a stone!"

Then he became the stone, more powerful than
anything else on earth.

But as he stood there, he heard the sound of a hammer pounding a chisel into the solid rock and felt himself being changed.

"What could be more powerful than I, the stone?" he thought.
He looked down and saw far below him the figure of a stonecutter.
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Post by dmw »

whenever i get down i remember just how bad things can get, and i feel better. ish.
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Post by schwagpad »

My first impulse was:
Wes wrote:Um, let me get back to you on this in a week or so...
Make that a month or so in my case.

My second impulse was to say that asking the question skews the results. No matter what people feel, they are taught to be cheery, because unhappiness seems like a weakness.

Then I considered the word "happy" and realized that it didn't appear in the question, "Do you love your life?".

So my third impulse was to say:
Define love.

If I compare my actions and feelings towards life to things associated with love, I realize that I absolutely do love my life. I might not always be happy or even content. In fact, I experience every emotion I know, positive or negative, in relation to my life. I experience fear, elation, jealousy, comfort, boredom, excitement, uncertainty, resolve and any other emotion I can describe (definitely some I cant). I've discovered that my feelings toward life are a decent definition for my concept of love.

So...pigsteak, thanks for asking the big questions! And everyone else, thanks for answering. It gave me many things to ponder.
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Post by the lurkist »

well put, schwag.
To further pig's arm chair pyschologist line of questioning, and extrapolating from schwag's perspective, I ask myself, "Am I hopeful? Do I look forward to something in my future, despite what shit heap I am wielding my shovel on at this moment?" To this, I would say yes.
Bringing it back to climbing, I want to climb. It has been this thought (and in no small part this bbs fueling that desire) that has kept me in touch with that love over the past 6 years.
I think to myself, I am 42 years old, have a wonderful wife (better than I deserve) two beautiful kids who are as smart and independent and unique as they can be, am a part of a great profession where I help folks, etc... but what I look forward to the most is working Cut Throat this spring.
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Post by Izzy »

the lurkist wrote:... I am 42 years old... but what I look forward to the most is working Cut Throat this spring.
That statement alone gives me hope.
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Post by SCIN »

20 years ago I hit rock bottom with an addiction to heroine, cocaine, and violence. I was living in downtown Cincinnati as a homeless dude begging for change to get my next hit. I was convicted for murder and served 5 years in state until good behavior and a great lawyer got me out early. As soon as I got out I robbed a single mother of three for her last 20 bucks so I could get the high I was missing for 5 years. I was caught and went back to prison for 6 more years. While in prison I joined the Aryan Nation just to stay safe and have some comradery. I didn't have a racist bone in my body but the Nation taught me to believe that my race was superior to others. It really messed with my head.

I ended up escaping prison after killing a guard with a knife I made from a toothbrush. I think about that guy every day because he was a really good friend. Well I guess as good as a friend that a guard can become. But I had to get out because I had things to do.

As soon as I got out I moved to the Red and lived beneath Gray's Arch for 5 years while hiding from the law. I grew a long beard and convinced everyone I was the Mayor of Slade. A buddy of mine, Ken Neiderbaumer (http://www.kenniederbaumer.com/) hooked me up with some excellent foam latex pieces for my face to make myself appear about 30 years older than I was. Then I ran into the "real" Mayor of Slade and my plan turned to shit.

I moved back to Lexington, bought a house, got a job, and have been hiding ever since. I still have a severe drug habit and have to hide from the law wherever I go but it's worth it. I started a new company a few years ago which offers harvested organs and body parts to hospitals for people who really need them. I take the parts from people with almost perfect lives because I believe in a firm balance of good and bad in this world. Those with too much good need to donate to those with a life of suffering. I make that happen. If you need anything gimme a shout. My recent piece is the penis of Jonah Falcon.
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Post by Artsay »

Good thougts, schwag and lurkist.

Lurkist - The underlying question to me is: If you *didn't* have the wonderful family and professional path to help people, would you still right now be mostly looking forward to working Cut Throat this spring?

I think what pigsteak is pursueing is a greater understanding to why (or why not) one loves their life. What I question is: of these reasons that people have for not loving their life, how many of these can they change?

Why one loves life is somewhat age (or maturity) dependent to me. Reasons why I loved my life 10-15 years ago would probably be reasons why I wouldn't love my life today (e.g. living out of my truck and transient, having an entry level job with benefits, etc.). Reasons for not loving my life have mostly been job, health, or relationship related, most of which I could change. I think lurkist somewhat nailed it with the whole "hopeful" bit which really is quite similar to having goals. It's rewarding to have goals and to work through the challenges to meet them.

Good luck with Cut Throat lurkist. I hope I'm there when you send it.
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If, for one instant, you feel that your life sucks just visit www.peopleofwalmart.com
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Post by the lurkist »

You are right, Artsey. I tried it in the past- to climb all the time. It was a vacuous existence. I have to have the work, and of course I am nothing without my family.
Climbing is the spice. But what a rich spice.
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