Green Climbing

[pigsteak]

since this is a climbing site, I figured we'd talk about climbing impact..throwing in a curve like ahab and caribe are doing is bait and switch...sort of like WMD's ya know....

ok, sweet, you guys don't buy plastic from wally world, but how much of your car is plastic? you loath old navy consumerism, but have the latest gear. even those pictures posted are misleading....ever see the camping area after a new river party, or the crap climbers leave after the rocktoberfest? multiply that over the world of climbers....

again, I was asking what YOU do...me, I do very little, and take away more than I give as far as the environment goes. I just have to be honest with myself on that front, and not pretend to be some eco fiend when my actions say otherwise.

I eat pre packaged food at the crag...I buy plastic tubs for my gear storage, I buy plastic bottled beverages, etc....I look out for old number one, and pretnd my ipact is minimal...but I am guessing everyone thinks that.

[pigsteak]

anti is right..I am the problem. from now on all new climbs will be at secret crags.

[anticlmber]

as ahab said we have bigger things to worry about. true.
but by doing the little we prevent the big. mountains started as molehills

[ahab]

I didn't see this post til after I made mine. Not sure if mine came off as defensive, but you do have several valid points and I think this is an interesting topic of discussion. Glad you brought it up.

+1 ^
not directed at you personally, piggy.

point is, the envronmental impact of climbing is virtually non-existent (including the activities you cited, pig) in comparison to some of the atrocities taking place in our atmosphere (as well as beyond it) currently. shouldn't we focus our energy on these things first?

i absolutely agree with you though. we should all do our part concerning the day to day choices we make.

[caribe]

since this is a climbing site, I figured we'd talk about climbing impact..throwing in a curve like ahab and caribe are doing is bait and switch...sort of like WMD's ya know....

I bicycle to work 4.5 mi each way. On the wk. ends I car pool to the crag. Lexington traffic would look like China in the 1970s if peoples' use of bicycle vs. car looked like mine. Get on your bike pig.

[ahab]

how about a comprehensive public transit sytem in the lex/L-ville area? that'd be a start.
i feel ya on the bike riding caribe, but it's just not practical for most commuters.

[schwagpad]

How expensive would gas have to be for a climber-van\bus to be economical?

You lose a little freedom, but
1)You don't have to drive
2)It would presumably be a bit cheaper than paying for gas
3)You get environmental warm fuzzies

Pick up somewhere in lexington. Drop off at Lady Slipper, Roadside, torrent, Muir Valley, Lode, Pendergrass

Yeah....probably wouldn't work for the foreseeable future.

[anticlmber]

allright pigvomit you wanted a personel list, here.

i pick up garbage, as much as i can find. i spend my rests walking the crag and picking up tape, cigs, wrappers, and anything not natural. this includes two stickclips from the load plus the thermometer and any tape left on sticks taped together. i mean seriously folks.
disassemble any firerings and scatter the ashes/coals to hide the evidence and discourage others
tell others if they are acting poorly (dogs at muir, garbage, etc.)
haven't bought anything in a bit
try to make trips for more than one day to minamize car travel as well as carpooling when i can
iscrub holds, tickmarks, graffiti, and fill in dog holes. if your dog digs, please stop them from doing this or at least fill it in
act as a positive steward to tourists who stumble upon "the wild climbers" and try to educate them
try to do as much as possible with as little as possible. reuse jugs, eat scraps, borrow shit, steal other things, and breathe as little as possible.

[schwagpad]

Here's a question. How many separate climber-cars make the Lexington - RRG commute on a beautiful saturday?

[anticlmber]

have sat on the front porch and seen 4 different vehicles going to the same place with folks that had planned to climb together; all from lexington. all cars had capacity fo at least three+ (trucks) but most could fit four +