Why?

Post by **Jeff** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:28 am

That really is crazy.

Post by **dhoyne** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 12:59 pm

I'll sell you my first edition for $220. Free shipping, too.

Post by **gripster** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 1:07 pm

I like the incompleteness of the old guide, makes for some fun adventure climbing.

Post by **gripster** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 1:08 pm

Oh yeah which reminds me, if anyone wants to buy a 1st edition of Ray's book, I have one for $74 + S&H.

Post by **Ascentionist** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:04 pm

How about the other copies listed under the first one: http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/ ... ition=used

I'd pay $689 if the book came with a ropegun.

Post by **caribe** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 12:50 am

Crankmas wrote:maybe its because we have a confused mulatto piece of shit for a president

One such person is Jerry Dammers, once the lead songwriter in the 1980s pop group The Specials and then The Special AKA. It was under this second incarnation that Dammers performed one of his best-known songs, Racist Friend.

Cut him loose

Speaking to BBC Radio 4's Broadcasting House, Dammers says the song was his way of dealing with a friend who "just suddenly used to come out with racist comments".

"Apart from that he was a really nice guy - it was just really out of character. It didn't make any sense," he says.

Apart from penning the song, Dammers also stopped seeing this "friend" - an approach echoed in the song's chorus: "If you have a racist friend/ Now is the time, now is the time/ For your friendship to end."

But for Dammers, who confesses he is "not a confrontational person", the song was substitute for a more direct challenge. He never actually got to tell the person why he had broken off contact.

"He actually died a few years ago. I didn't see him for years and years afterwards. When I heard that he'd died, I felt terrible that I hadn't told him that the song was about him, and why I'd cut myself off from him."

This tactic might work sometimes, but for others the idea of cutting adrift someone dear to them is understandably extreme.

Professor Roger Crisp, fellow of the Oxford Uehiro Centre for Practical Ethics, says in the case of friends you should make the most of your relationship with them to try to change their views.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7879169.stm

Post by **Jeff** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:13 am

Nice find Art.

Post by **dipsi** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:46 am

I'm not selling mine, Sir!

Post by **pigsteak** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 3:00 am

so I have to be your friend Arthur to convince you that the protestant God (capital G big fella) loves you and will see you in heaven?
fellowship time brethren.....we can invite Scobro, Shamis, Bram, and Ray, the children of light all together.

Post by **caribe** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 3:45 am

Brother Steak: I have no emotional disconnection from god. My disconnection from the Christian god is simply due to a lack of evidence. The same is true for my disconnection from Santa, Unicorns, ESP, water drowsing etc.
[] I will never be able to let Frank (Crankmas) belay me, because I do not want to end up dead, or end up wondering if the accident was an honest mistake or an act of racism. He hates Obama because in his mind a non-white should not be president. Perhaps I am OK if I don't become president, but I am not going to run the risk. I think he has belayed me a couple times, but that was before Obama was in office. There is no way I am throwing those dice again.

I value my life even though he thinks your life is intrinsically worth more than mine.
[] I also know that Frank is a church-going Christian. I am not shocked. Think about the people you palled around with when you were churched. If they were ok or really fucked up, it had nothing to do with being pious.