Hey Sandbagger

Post by **pigsteak** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:49 pm

you know, Ray's guidebook are "OK", but my biggest complaint with the guide is that with the specific dircetions to the crag you lose the wilderness feel that the Red is known for. No more adventure to be had.

Also, since the blow by blow on each route is so detailed, it is now impossible to onsight at the Red....

and I don't climb trad, and I onsighted Rock Wars years ago..I am surprised he left it at 5.8...

Post by **rjackson** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 6:40 pm

pigsteak wrote:and I don't climb trad...

Oh, but you do! I've witnessed it. And besides, 'everyone' says there's NO difference between trad and sport except an occasional bit of technique. Right?

Post by **512OW** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 8:06 pm

And the number of people in line. And your pack is heavier. Thats about it.

Post by **rjackson** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 8:41 pm

512OW wrote:And the number of people in line. And your pack is heavier. Thats about it.

I almost got it right!

Post by **pigsteak** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 8:57 pm

"the number of people in line".....not sure which group you were dogging with that one, as I see the gumballs line up at the Lode for burns, and at Long Wall....

Ray, for all those who voted too high on those now down graded routes, do you have the capacity in the database to dock them for lying when they originally rated the route? for example, since we know Rock Wars is soft even at 5.8, anyone who voted 10A online would be given the points for 2 numbers lower, hence 5.6... and since 5.6 is barely classified as "climbing", just delete their send altogether.

Post by **512OW** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 10:59 pm

Not doggin anybody... just statin general facts.

Post by **rjackson** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 11:37 pm

Took me a minute to figure out the number of people in line - then I realized he meant if you're climbing trad, there is no line (except for the aforementioned Rock Wars, which now that it has been down graded will no longer suffer the fate of many of its comparative sport lines).

I'm thinking about just leaving my guidebook at home now. Since most everything I will be able to climb will no longer be worth any points, I can just eyeball the rock and reclaim the sense of adventure taken from me by Ray (and pointed out by pigsteak).

Post by **pigsteak** » Sat Dec 26, 2009 12:08 am

rjackson..he meant the sort of day you jerries had on the beene climbs..you know, 13 climbers sieging, high fiving, and tina top roping the living crap out of those "solid brah" trad lines