Wow . . . Where are you getting these ideas from??? I am not aware of any such rules; there is no oversight. There is no one to call. Your life is in your own hands. Are you for real?Redpoint wrote:I would have no idea who to call, does anyone else? I guess all we can do is babysit and argue with them. I bet those rules are there just to help protect the landowner in case of a lawsuit: "well you aren't supposed to climb there if you have no idea what you are doing anyways".caribe wrote:? ?Redpoint wrote:It's stories like that one that help you to understand why gumbies aren't even allowed to climb at PMRP or Muir without the supervision of an experienced climber.
When things go wrong...
Well I thought I saw that rule for PMRP, maybe I was mistaken, I'll have to read all the rules again. To climb in Muir one of the rules/guidelines in the waver you agreed to follow specifically says:
"Visitors must be experienced and competent rock climbers or be in the company of those who are."
I just saw that the website has it listed as a warning.
I was joking about who to call, I just wanted to make a point that it's up to us to babysit, hence why I said "I guess all we can do is babysit". If we were supposed to call and report activity such as that, they would have of course listed phone numbers.
If you read through the rules/guidelines for Muir in the guidebook, it's pretty obvious the ones listed are there to protect the landowners from lawsuits. Heck even the dog one might be there to protect the landowners. For instance, if someones dog killed someone, the family of the deceased might not just want to sue the owner of the dog, but the landowners also.
"Visitors must be experienced and competent rock climbers or be in the company of those who are."
I just saw that the website has it listed as a warning.
I was joking about who to call, I just wanted to make a point that it's up to us to babysit, hence why I said "I guess all we can do is babysit". If we were supposed to call and report activity such as that, they would have of course listed phone numbers.
If you read through the rules/guidelines for Muir in the guidebook, it's pretty obvious the ones listed are there to protect the landowners from lawsuits. Heck even the dog one might be there to protect the landowners. For instance, if someones dog killed someone, the family of the deceased might not just want to sue the owner of the dog, but the landowners also.
"It is difficult to estimate the potential damage of solvents; therefore the middle of the rope should never be marked with a felt-tip pen or similar. Although a danger might be improbable, it should never be ignored." Mammut
Back to the subject, here is a quick random soloing story:
I am friends with a girl who said that when she was younger, she used to always go to the gorge with her brother and his friends. She said they always ended up doing all sorts of drugs and then they would go soloing. Well of course eventually(maybe their 20th time doing it) one of the guys ended up falling about 30 feet and had to be helivaced out. After that incident their little drug induced solo trips came to an end, go figure.
I am friends with a girl who said that when she was younger, she used to always go to the gorge with her brother and his friends. She said they always ended up doing all sorts of drugs and then they would go soloing. Well of course eventually(maybe their 20th time doing it) one of the guys ended up falling about 30 feet and had to be helivaced out. After that incident their little drug induced solo trips came to an end, go figure.
"It is difficult to estimate the potential damage of solvents; therefore the middle of the rope should never be marked with a felt-tip pen or similar. Although a danger might be improbable, it should never be ignored." Mammut