Long-term topropes on trad projects.

[Jeff]

Allrighty.
Anyone know who owns the other rope?
I would really rather not get involved, but like I said, I trust Bills word and am willing to clean it up.
Pm me if you don't want to talk about it on here.

[captain static]

Thanks Meadows. Can someone also contact the owner of the gear/rope on Guyana Mudra and see if they can remove it. When these types of situations arise it is our community's concensus that the first step is to contact the responsible party and encourage them to resolve the situation. The Forest Service expects climbers to know what the rules are and to take care of any problems within our own community. It works out better that way.

[Meadows]

Bill -

I agree with you that climbers should know the rules, but in all the literature I researched on FS and Clifty, including the rules posted at Miguels and the visitor doc posted below, does it mention permanent or temporary fixed gear such as a rope. If such rules are written, they should be more available.

http://www.fs.fed.us/r8/boone/documents/maps/rrg.pdf

[captain static]

While fixed ropes are not specifically mentioned in FS literature they go against the spirit of the Wilderness Act.[quote="Wilderness Act"]“A wilderness, in contrast with those areas where man and his own works dominate the landscape, is hereby recognized as an area where the earth and community of life are untrammeled by man, where man himself is a visitor who does not remain.â€

[camhead]

[quote="captain static"]While fixed ropes are not specifically mentioned in FS literature they go against the spirit of the Wilderness Act.[quote="Wilderness Act"]“A wilderness, in contrast with those areas where man and his own works dominate the landscape, is hereby recognized as an area where the earth and community of life are untrammeled by man, where man himself is a visitor who does not remain.â€

[charlie]

That is true, but all those rules specifically apply to designated Wilderness Areas. I'm not sure where those are in DBNF, but they're definitely not encompassing Funk Rock City.

Except for that little thing we call Clifty Wilderness.

Just go ahead and trust the Capn knows what he's talking about, because unlike most everyone else around here, he actually does.

[Meadows]

While Bill may know this info and the web site thoroughly, I still don't see that info as being readily available for someone less knowledgeable of the web site. Maybe Bill can take some time to re-write the rules for the Mig's kiosk before I overhaul it.

The rope on SR is getting removed.

[captain static]

These are crags within the federally designated Clifty Wilderness:
Mariba Fork
Tower Rock
Lower, Middle, & Upper Small Wall
Moonshiner's Wall
Doorish Wall
Eagle Point Buttress
Wall of Denial
Woody's Wall
Funk Rock City
Wildcat Wall

Will do Meadows on something for the kiosk.

[pkananen]

I always thought it was obvious that leaving any gear (draws, rope, etc) on any route in DBNF is not allowed.

[camhead]

That is true, but all those rules specifically apply to designated Wilderness Areas. I'm not sure where those are in DBNF, but they're definitely not encompassing Funk Rock City.

Except for that little thing we call Clifty Wilderness.

Just go ahead and trust the Capn knows what he's talking about, because unlike most everyone else around here, he actually does.

I stand corrected. Sorry about the mistake; I simply looked up KY Federal Wilderness areas, and Clifty did not come up. At any rate, I'm glad that it only strengthens my rant against those lame fixed topropes.

Again, sorry about the mistake Cap'n!