Missing Draws from Roadside Crag

[caribe]

also, groups over 4 are discouraged at Roadside, groups over 8 forbidden

Well, if its not private land, it aint state land because the state park does not allow climbing. The National park does, in that case the Ohatians have the same right to the land that the Kentuckians and the Floridians do--Federal dollars don't you know. The notion that peeps from other states and nations have less rights than Kentuckians on Kentucky land is a bit silly also . . . why am I responding to this drivel . . . ?

you've never been to baxter in maine, eh? it follows your logic, but there is an example of a state park where residents get first and most dibs on access, sites, discounts, etc.

I am going to let you rethink the illogical nature of your post. Let me know if you want help.

[Saxman]

If someone says they are getting on a route and are not on it in a few mins, just pull the rope or start leading if there is no rope.

[Der Revir]

Lets clear a few things up first off i wasnt at roadside jerk off i was in the sore heel my point was and let me make it clear that i was out and there was a mad easy route i wanted to put my cousin on and this kid from ohio was like yea we will be here for a while went back over to the spot after i had moved on best believe the rope and draws still hanging. And tax dollars pay to keep most of the red open i dont know percentile ratios but fuck you guys

[Ascentionist]

it does not say that that you have dibs on the rout, only "I plan to get on this again, feel free to use them til I take them down". you'll get used to it

I think it is irresponsible and disrespectful to leave gear on a route that is not a project.

I am not willing to climb on anonymous gear because I see how many people treat their climbing gear. Not knowing the history of the gear or the level of care of the person who owns them is taking a huge risk.

And please don't give me the "I don't store my draws in a gas can" argument. When I walk up to the crag I don't know anything about the "abandoned" gear hanging on a route. I shouldn't have to ask around or assume that it doesn't belong to a reckless imbecile.

If you're not climbing the route, pull your crap off of it.

If you were going to cool down on a 10 then most likely you could rehang the draws as you do.

[krampus]

it does not say that that you have dibs on the rout, only "I plan to get on this again, feel free to use them til I take them down". you'll get used to it

I think it is irresponsible and disrespectful to leave gear on a route that is not a project.
.....moot...

leaving gear on a rout that you intend to do again is the same as leaving gear on a project, no reason not to share and be shared with. And don't tell me that you wont use project draws when available, most of which are far worse off than any draws left on a 5.10 for a day

[Andrew]

Sore heel is private, retard

[gripster]

Sore heel is private, retard

thank you andrew. if you want to feel like you are contributing to that area dumb-ass then i recommend you donate some money to the RRGCC. screw your tax money, and screw you for thinking you are some how more important than everyone else at the crag because you live in the state of Kentucky. The climbers help keep the economy alive around Slade, regardless of where their tax money is going. And as was pointed out before, climbing in the red that is not private land is on FEDERALLY OWNED LAND, which means everyone who works and pays taxes in this country is funding it, not just people from Kentucky, moron.

[Crankmas]

yeah kick her in the balls man

[ahab]

so yeah, about the draws...
i've done the same thing that macgyver did on the same damn climb. it was not a problem, nor should it have been. the problem is that they were taken.

i suspect that since all the draws were taken, and since it was crazyfingers that someone just didn't know any better.

someone: if you are reading this thread and you took the draws down those were not booty. you mistakenly took someones gear. it's not that big a deal, just make it right and return them to their owner and all will be well. you won't be tarred and feathered. hell, remain anonymous if you like so long as you give them back.
a note with the draws at miguel's, a pm to mac, a ups package - whatever.

do the right thing.

[Ascentionist]

And don't tell me that you wont use project draws when available, most of which are far worse off than any draws left on a 5.10 for a day

Nope. I don't get on stuff with fixed draws. I mostly climb trad and moderate sport. I won't use unknown gear. It's just not smart.

And yes, I always backup rappels or replace the manky fixed stuff at the top of trad routes.