How do your tax dollars pay for anything there? Roadside isn't public land.Der Revir wrote:lol well i will tell you what take the draws down cause i hate waiting and i hate askingtake your draws down and put them back up if thats what it takes. I was taking some family members out cause i am from kentucky and my tax dollars pay for this. And this doesnt count for our adopted family from ohio who should have been from kentucky and live and work atmiguels you ohioians dont count but for you non local ohioians . But you guys from ohio think you have some sort of right to our fucking crags take your draws off clean the route and put them back up if you need too i am so sick of that shit. peace love and clean routes
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yes, that is the ethis, if no one is on it, get on it. Of course ask if you can, but don't wast your time to find them if you have to. ropes hanging, pull it, they will understand or learn to.gripster wrote:i am not comfortable with climbing on someone else's draws without asking them first. and at a crag like roadside on a busy day, it could be really hard to find the individuals who own the draws.
so is that the etiquette? if there are draws on the route but no one climbing it, is it ok to use them? what if a rope is up (another issue), can i pull there rope? can i top-rope one there rope?
How you compare may not be as important as to whom you are compared
I was at crag X getting on climb Y when I overheard CLIMBING GUIDE Z tell his group, "You can confiscate any gear from routes if the route is easier than ~5.12, it's booty."
I immediately challenged him. 'Are you advocating taking material that is not yours from private land?' 'Are you saying that projecting 5.10's or 5.11's is not allowed, but projecting everything harder is protected by some ethos in the climbing community?' 'When you are climbing 5.12 will your threshold for the justification of thievery increase to 5.13?' 'If it is not yours don't rip it off and do onto others as you would have done onto you.'
Bunch of Christians running around the gorge, but it takes an atheist to remind them about commandment 8 and the golden rule.
I immediately challenged him. 'Are you advocating taking material that is not yours from private land?' 'Are you saying that projecting 5.10's or 5.11's is not allowed, but projecting everything harder is protected by some ethos in the climbing community?' 'When you are climbing 5.12 will your threshold for the justification of thievery increase to 5.13?' 'If it is not yours don't rip it off and do onto others as you would have done onto you.'
Bunch of Christians running around the gorge, but it takes an atheist to remind them about commandment 8 and the golden rule.
also, groups over 4 are discouraged at Roadside, groups over 8 forbiddenDer Revir wrote:lol well i will tell you what take the draws down cause i hate waiting and i hate askingtake your draws down and put them back up if thats what it takes. I was taking some family members out cause i am from kentucky and my tax dollars pay for this. And this doesnt count for our adopted family from ohio who should have been from kentucky and live and work atmiguels you ohioians dont count but for you non local ohioians . But you guys from ohio think you have some sort of right to our fucking crags take your draws off clean the route and put them back up if you need too i am so sick of that shit. peace love and clean routes
Heh, you must climb at the Gunks a lot. Next thing is someone is going to come on here complaining about how these hung draws were forcing them to merely "pinkpoint" the route, oh no!gripster wrote:I feel really bad that someone stole your draws, BUT why did you leave them up in the first place? You are definitely not the only person that does this, but it really irks me all the same. It is like you are trying to say you have dibs on the route. No I did not steal your draws.
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Well, if its not private land, it aint state land because the state park does not allow climbing. The National park does, in that case the Ohatians have the same right to the land that the Kentuckians and the Floridians do--Federal dollars don't you know. The notion that peeps from other states and nations have less rights than Kentuckians on Kentucky land is a bit silly also . . . why am I responding to this drivel . . . ?pkananen wrote:also, groups over 4 are discouraged at Roadside, groups over 8 forbiddenDer Revir wrote:I was taking some family members out cause i am from kentucky and my tax dollars pay for this.
you've never been to baxter in maine, eh? it follows your logic, but there is an example of a state park where residents get first and most dibs on access, sites, discounts, etc.caribe wrote:Well, if its not private land, it aint state land because the state park does not allow climbing. The National park does, in that case the Ohatians have the same right to the land that the Kentuckians and the Floridians do--Federal dollars don't you know. The notion that peeps from other states and nations have less rights than Kentuckians on Kentucky land is a bit silly also . . . why am I responding to this drivel . . . ?pkananen wrote:also, groups over 4 are discouraged at Roadside, groups over 8 forbiddenDer Revir wrote:I was taking some family members out cause i am from kentucky and my tax dollars pay for this.
i had an hour the other day before i had to drive my visiting friend back to the airport. all she wanted to do was one lap on ro shampo, i asked three times if we could get on it (twice previously in the day), the party with draws and rope hung responded there was a line of 5 that were going to get on it. so we found AWOL as the only line left open, as we did that, then over the following half hour not a single climbing got on the hanging rope on ro. i was pissed. this has been my experience with the few sport climbers i've met down here so far. "yeah, we're on it, we have a 6 person gang bang waiting on it", then nobody climbs the route for the next half hour in the time i could do 3 laps on it. tossers. not saying all spurt-sters are bad, just saying i got a bad taste left in my mouth.anticlmber wrote:draws hanging are draws hanging. i agree i like to ask first but i'm so used to everyon being chill, {is this a bad thing?} and it not being an issue.
IF you are one of those people that does mind. take your draws down.
on a busy day it just makes since for routes to be strung up and everyone hops on everyone elses gear.
leaving a rope hanging and not being around.....that is F'n gay and you should be kicked in the nuts and have your rope pulled. i pull them within a minute or two if i dont see anybody using it or around. i'll put it back up if they get pissed.
WORSE is when a group is TR'ing everything at the cliff and you ask, "who's going on this route?" and they rply its the guy currently struggling up the easy route before he gets on the harder route the rope is on. forty minutes later, they pull it. seen this A BUNCH.