Manifest Destiny 12a

Post by **bcombs** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:09 pm

Cheetah is super fun... In my mind, Hippocrite is the title holder. Please note that I have not sent either of these routes (and it is not for a lack of trying).

Post by **Crankmas** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:26 pm

so its like I just had some terrible sex, boy was it great

Post by JR » Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:09 pm

If it is between Cheetah and Hypocrite I am with you B.Combs. Hippocrite is a touch better. Please note that I have sent both of these routes (yes they took me a lot of trying).

Side note: Who thinks Cheetah would be better if the bolts where more to the right?
The route could continue through awesome sloping holds rather than cutting out left to the crimps.

Post by **Andrew** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:36 pm

But people would still go left unless the bolts were way right. I thought you were all about bolting the obvious line of least resistance.

Post by **pawilkes** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:00 pm

BCombs, do you think Hippocrite is harder than Dogleg? i've never been on dogleg but finally got hippocrite the other day and im wondering how they compare

Post by **Andrew** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:10 am

Phil, dogleg would be easy for you. You will crush it. Try Demon Seed while your at it.

Post by **rustyvasectomy** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:58 am

and while your at it, get on the left variation. no rock climbing needed, just walk your feet up a ramp while holding on to hand grips!

Post by **Andrew** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:03 am

exactly, nice you could figure out the beta. I thought you would be confused.

Post by **bcombs** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:13 am

pawilkes wrote:BCombs, do you think Hippocrite is harder than Dogleg? i've never been on dogleg but finally got hippocrite the other day and im wondering how they compare

I haven't tried Hippocrite in a long time.

Andrew is right though, you will crush Dogleg.

Post by JR » Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:54 pm

Andrew wrote: I thought you were all about bolting the obvious line of least resistance.

I get what you are saying Andrew. It is true. The route that goes left is the line of least resistance. I would rarely condone trying to manufacture a more difficult route, but in this case and the route Zone of Silence at Solar Collector I think the bolter missed the boat. The fact is you can dictate climbing with your bolt job. Sometimes for good, sometimes for bad.

I just lament the fact that Cheetah would be a better route if those crimps weren't accessible. How would it be better? It would go straight up which is nice, and Cheetah would be one of the slopiest line in the Red, instead of a route with just one nice hold and then just run of the mill crimping.

It is what it is. Its just a short fun (no offense Andrew) route.