weber wrote:....and not on easy routes by newbies who don't know any better. 5.11/5.12 climbers should know the drill.
Thanks.
you would think, but most gym rats without the slightest notion of climbing community (whatever that is any more - anticlmbr) can crank pretty damn hard. It sucks that their lead belay card at the gym gives them the confidence to go to muir without someone who knows the ropes.
How you compare may not be as important as to whom you are compared
YES you are a dick questioning this in the least.........
The entire original post is well stated and worth reading, I only highlight this mostly to clarify any association it might have to another thread regarding this issue, and to say that I never did any such thing.