To bolt or not to bolt: That is the question

[ahab]

oh, somebody cares alright. it's just not the people we are talking to.

[clif]

pigsteak-

let me remind you that the holes in the rocks the indians drilled were the start of the problem..access issues ever since. go raw or go home.

[pigsteak]

lol...true both. my take on it is any climbing practice is never an "ethics" topic. ethics are something left to doctors and those who deal with moral issues. climbing is neither. you won't burn in hell for drilling a route, nor are you more ethical by trad climbing. it is all a myth in our heads. arbitrary rules made up.

[rhunt]

True dat pigsteak and sport climbing is neither....word

[clif]

.the point is, nobody cares,.

...ethics are something left to doctors and those who deal with moral issues...climbing is neither.....it is all a myth in our heads. arbitrary rules made up

a few lines from the health insurance indusrty?

[clif]

ok, nobody cares.

just to slay a few hobgoblins....

does that equate to support bolting indian creek and the nose of el cap?

leave no trace..an ethic?

arbitrary=?=invalid=?=considered?

bring the yellow tape.

[the lurkist]

Someone suggested that Goodstone would necessitate bolting. Not that I am concerned about Goodstone getting bolted- it has great gear and is maybe 11a, but is this discussion about a crack that is like Goodstone? If that is the case, who ever thinks that a route like that needs bolting is a full puss. The fact that someone wants to bolt a route that takes gear in the first place is suspect, but maybe I have been out of the game too long and 5.9 chuff-ness is being seriously condoned. God help the Red...
Bolt it and I put the bounty on it to do it free. Bitches And your name goes with the asterisks.

[pigsteak]

Someone suggested that Goodstone would necessitate bolting. Not that I am concerned about Goodstone getting bolted- it has great gear and is maybe 11a, but is this discussion about a crack that is like Goodstone? If that is the case, who ever thinks that a route like that needs bolting is a full puss. The fact that someone wants to bolt a route that takes gear in the first place is suspect, but maybe I have been out of the game too long and 5.9 chuff-ness is being seriously condoned. God help the Red...
Bolt it and I put the bounty on it to do it free. Bitches And your name goes with the asterisks.

that's the fighting spirit. and yes, you have been out of the game too long. get your ass in shape so you can back up this mouthiness by crushing this seam.

[toad857]

Someone suggested that Goodstone would necessitate bolting. Not that I am concerned about Goodstone getting bolted- it has great gear and is maybe 11a, but is this discussion about a crack that is like Goodstone? If that is the case, who ever thinks that a route like that needs bolting is a full puss. The fact that someone wants to bolt a route that takes gear in the first place is suspect, but maybe I have been out of the game too long and 5.9 chuff-ness is being seriously condoned. God help the Red...
Bolt it and I put the bounty on it to do it free. Bitches And your name goes with the asterisks.

that's the fighting spirit. and yes, you have been out of the game too long. get your ass in shape so you can back up this mouthiness by crushing this seam.

famous last words, maybe?

[pigsteak]

we need to light a fire under this workaholic demon.