Nevermore
Yes, had old bolts. Pretty much for no reason. There was practically a ladder of them there, and no need for a single one. Pansy ass trad climbers...ahab wrote:didn't it have old 1/4 inch studs on the runout part? so, were those replaced with new bolts/hangers? who sunk in the original bolts?Wes wrote:PS, where is the tradie sense of outrage over the new hardware that totally ruined the route? Make a statement and chop all the bolts and do it on gear, as should have been done to begin with! Then you can earn that R rating....
Yes, new bolts. Someone with a drill and no sense.
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I used to say the same shit. Now, even though I've been sport climbing for nearly 3 years, I have yet to see an overcrowded cliff... except under Rock Wars, Roadside Attraction or Arachnid.rhunt wrote:Adventure climbing at the red is going to one of the many over crowded cliffs and dealing with all the ego's, gumbies, and dogs. Nevermore sound like a nice quiet half day at the cliff.
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Yeah, I remembered that after I posted. I'm so used to making the distinction now that I forgot it was just climbing back then512OW wrote:Captain, if you called it trad climbing back then, you were a gumby. Back then, it was just climbing.
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[quote="cliftongifford"]
Hey, if you're doing Nevermore, you're doing it with me pal.[/quote]I don't think I want to lead it, but I'd sure as hell second...[/quote]
Good luck finding a partner for it if you dont even want to lead it.
Ive done it, and I echo what Was said in his early posts - choss pitch to a sport pitch to an ok pitch.
Hey, if you're doing Nevermore, you're doing it with me pal.[/quote]I don't think I want to lead it, but I'd sure as hell second...[/quote]
Good luck finding a partner for it if you dont even want to lead it.
Ive done it, and I echo what Was said in his early posts - choss pitch to a sport pitch to an ok pitch.
after climbing it last saturday, i have to agree with wes & ow...partially.512OW wrote:Yes, had old bolts. Pretty much for no reason. There was practically a ladder of them there, and no need for a single one. Pansy ass trad climbers...ahab wrote:didn't it have old 1/4 inch studs on the runout part? so, were those replaced with new bolts/hangers? who sunk in the original bolts?Wes wrote:PS, where is the tradie sense of outrage over the new hardware that totally ruined the route? Make a statement and chop all the bolts and do it on gear, as should have been done to begin with! Then you can earn that R rating....
Yes, new bolts. Someone with a drill and no sense.
the bolts should not be there. it looks worse than the anchors of "to defy the laws" up there and there's no reason for it. you can get good pro just before and right after the crux. it seemed like the falls would be clean even if you fell out, sans clipped bolts.
as far as being a waste of time. hardly. i thought it was great.
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Hey Wes, Why is it you want to talk like your the Nevermore guru, when you about shit your pants as you FOLLOWED Q up this route. Then talked shit for days!I know a lot of people think it's a cool route, and that is fine. But to me, unless you have done all the other good routes, this one is a waste of time. I did it once, and have no desire to do it again, esp. with the new hardware.
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