KD wrote:indians built fires in them and stayed in them for years with no threat to bats
...really?
KD wrote:
in modern time wyandote cave has had thousands of indiana bats all over the ceilings above the tours. all sharing the same space.
the indiana bat is Myotis sodalis. sodalis means social. the social bat! the reason they are so sensitive is because they all share the same space. one cave has a thousand, the next thousand caves have none.
it's important that cavers stay far away from bats during the winter (though none of them really see themselves as a problem) because this is the time of the year when the bats are the most sensitive. they require a constant temperature during hibernation so they don't waste their precious energy thermoregulating themselves (remember, these bats can't feed until the next spring).
the temperature change from one human in a cave (especially from a headlamp on a bat!!) is enough to wake up a hibernating bat, and they only have enough energy to wake up a handful of times until spring (usually to rearrange themselves a bit).
my point is that many times the federal govt closes way way too much resource-wise in order to protect species that they deem worthy. I know we are all supposed to think this is the right thing to do ...but i think many excessive closures are just overkill and aren't effective. a mile of cliff line for one bird ... i guess i'm supposed to say "yeah wow that's a good thing" and all that but i disagree. 10 plus miles of atlantic beach for one piping plover - "oh yea that's great we all gotta like this." i'm sorry i think it's excessive. some space - okay but we gotta be someplace too.
I am sorry the publik skool sisytim has faaled you. Seriously, are we protecting natural areas for us or for nature?
Also, I am glad that everyone is passionate about such an important issue but remember where your expertise lies and that things are done with the best intention though, not always successful. I have two degrees and am working on a third (spray) in this area, genetics specifically. I would not tell someone how to build a house...
It's an inconvenience that your children will appreciate when there animals and plants left to see, not just chalky holds. Snap!
I am sorry the publik skool sisytim has faaled you. Seriously, are we protecting natural areas for us or for nature?
Also, I am glad that everyone is passionate about such an important issue but remember where your expertise lies and that things are done with the best intention though, not always successful. I have two degrees and am working on a third (spray) in this area, genetics specifically. I would not tell someone how to build a house...
It's an inconvenience that your children will appreciate when there animals and plants left to see, not just chalky holds. Snap!
well i sure hope you learn how to spell a little better on this next degree.
seriously, i don't mind reasonable closures to protect things - it's the large amounts of resources that get closed arbitrarily that i think is wrong. Some bureaucrat decides a mile when 500 feet are needed isn't fair. My "kids" wont appreciate all the things you mentioned if they can't see it because it's closed and neither can yours. In the gorge area I haven't seen a "temporary closure" that ever was temporary and I hope the birds nest someplace else or the feds don't know where the birds are located. The latter is probably better for climbers as well as raptors. I have seen animals pestered by banding ie bat banding and bat counts more by their "protectors" than you or i ever would bother them by merely being within their reasonable vicinity.
Great pic of a beautiful bird!!! They're something to sit and watch them dive-saw several in NC around Grandfather Mountain.
"Some people hear their own inner voices with great clearness and they live by what they hear, such people become crazy-they become legends." ---Legends of the Fall
