Any Difference?

[rjackson]

There is no real climbing while placing gear. Lets all just face it.

Don't go towards light!

[der uber]

There's personal rules/opinions that folks hold, and there's general consensus. I agree with you reagarding the preclipping of draws.

Pigsteak, does your spray list comply with your own standards?

[Brentucky]

pig's spraylist is nearly flawless i'm sure. i've NEVER seen him break the majority of his own rules.

[rjackson]

I keep a notebook at home...

It's all in the book. Funny how climbing always comes back to religion.

[pigsteak]

while I admit it is fun to talk about my FLAWLESS spray list, let's digress to the original question.

when you send, or see someone else send, is there ANYTHING that is "off limits" that would prevent you from saying you sent route?

if I step on a bolt, would that disqualify my send?

[ahab]

There is no real climbing while placing gear. Lets all just face it.

perhaps a screen name change is in order. here are a couple suggestions.

512SW (spurt weenie)
512OLDW
512SCARED

[der uber]

if I step on a bolt, would that disqualify my send?

yes

[pigsteak]

if I keep the first 3 bolts (thru the crux) on an 8 bolt route pre clipped, does that negate a lead ascent?

[rjackson]

Inadvertently stepping on the bolt without weight, count the send. Purposely using the bolt as a hold, no send.

The real issue though is when will a governing body be established to generalize the rules across the board. Professional sports rely on written rules and regulations, accepted by those who choose to play. Unfortunately, climbing as 'sport' does not have the benefit of said body, and until then, it's all arbitrary.

Nice deflection by the way...

[Meadows]

when you send, or see someone else send, is there ANYTHING that is "off limits" that would prevent you from saying you sent route?

if I step on a bolt, would that disqualify my send?

If you're highly competitive, yes.