A few of us have been given a sweet deal on some Cypher Biners. These are steel with red bent gates (similar to Spirits) and are much easier to clip than Ovals. Our intention with these biners are to replace the bent gates on many of the fixed draws in the Red. This will lower the maintenance required on routes because steel lasts longer than standard aluminum biners. They clip nicely.
We want to open this project up to others, but we’re giving preference to fixed draws in the Red and thus, will not be selling off the biners for people to have for their personal racks.
Monetary support is especially welcomed – you can sponsor draws at 4.50 each and we’ll give priority to your preferred route.
You can also help us replace the biners, but as stated, priority will be given to the routes preferred by those who want to support this effort monetarily.
Supplies are limited and as mentioned, the cost is 4.50/biner (they retail for 16 + shipping).
Steel Biner Replacement in the Red
P.S. It's the biner shown on this draw: http://store.everestgear.com/434563.html
PM me if interested.
Also, I need to specify that this is separate from the RRGCC. It includes myself, David Scott and a few other concerned climbers.
PM me if interested.
Also, I need to specify that this is separate from the RRGCC. It includes myself, David Scott and a few other concerned climbers.
Count me in, If you climb on fixed draws (anywhere) you should step up and buy a few of these. If everyone that climbs at the Lode bought 4 biners then we would have enough to replace every fixed biner in the red. If you don't climb on fixed draws ever, then your money isn't welcome give it to the coalition.
A lot of you are going to think that I am just saying this to be an asshole but here is my two cents.
This is stupid idea. Fixed gear sucks. I think that we should go back to the time when if you wanted to do a route you climbed it with your draws and then you cleaned them, or maybe you left them for a week, a month...whatever. But this policy of making the cliff fixed is just plain dumb.
Someone is going to get hurt after we are comfortable that all this fixed gear is bomber (which it ain't) and if it happens at a place like the lode we will lose the lode forever.
Let's think about this before "equipping" these routes to make it easier and more convenient to climb them.
This is stupid idea. Fixed gear sucks. I think that we should go back to the time when if you wanted to do a route you climbed it with your draws and then you cleaned them, or maybe you left them for a week, a month...whatever. But this policy of making the cliff fixed is just plain dumb.
Someone is going to get hurt after we are comfortable that all this fixed gear is bomber (which it ain't) and if it happens at a place like the lode we will lose the lode forever.
Let's think about this before "equipping" these routes to make it easier and more convenient to climb them.
'Darling, may I please be excused for a moment?
I have to shake hands with a very dear friend of mine, whom I hope to introduce you to after dinner.'
The polite way to excuse yourself and take a piss.
I have to shake hands with a very dear friend of mine, whom I hope to introduce you to after dinner.'
The polite way to excuse yourself and take a piss.
...I understand that you have only the best intentions. I hope that you don't misunderstand what I am saying. The goal of leaving all these routes in a safe state is noble.
I think that the only way to truly achieve this goal is to remove fixed draws and concentrate on maintaining just the bolts and hangers.
Dumbing down the sport is lame. Each climber needs to take responsibility for his/her own safety, not some group of concerned climbers replacing all the fixed tat at our cliff.
I think that the only way to truly achieve this goal is to remove fixed draws and concentrate on maintaining just the bolts and hangers.
Dumbing down the sport is lame. Each climber needs to take responsibility for his/her own safety, not some group of concerned climbers replacing all the fixed tat at our cliff.
'Darling, may I please be excused for a moment?
I have to shake hands with a very dear friend of mine, whom I hope to introduce you to after dinner.'
The polite way to excuse yourself and take a piss.
I have to shake hands with a very dear friend of mine, whom I hope to introduce you to after dinner.'
The polite way to excuse yourself and take a piss.
While noble to try to keep routes safe, I think as you have to approach each route with more carefully than a lot of us do. I am horribly guilty of this, but there are some scary spots out there and they go unnoticed and create dangerous situations. Fixed draws aren't even lasting a year at the lode on popular routes so perhaps Buster is right
Then again maybe he is wrong
Then again maybe he is wrong
"I just want to disappear"
how much longer do steel biners last than aluminum? don't we already have "fixed gear" on the trade routes at the Lode? why would this be different?
are you suggesting Buster, than all draws and biners be stipped from the routes at the Lode? Strip the madness cave, and hang em?
are you suggesting Buster, than all draws and biners be stipped from the routes at the Lode? Strip the madness cave, and hang em?
Positive vibes brah...positive vibes.