what do you think?

Post by **ahab** » Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:03 am

perhaps papayagucci was inspired by odub's rap and was all, "yo, fuck this wanker!".

Post by **der uber** » Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:13 am

It would be like if Mike Tyson use to have an endorsement contract with a company that made hearing aids. After the Holyfield fight, they would drop him.

Post by **Myke Dronez** » Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:15 am

There was nothing about the climb all that impressive for Potter- 60 feet with an 11+ crux. So to act like it wasn't a publicity stunt is pretty stupid, Delicate Arch is on the Utah license plate for fucks sake. He should stick to solos that climbers can respect or start hanging out with the French Spiderman.

Post by **anticlmber** » Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:47 am

der uber wrote:It would be like if Mike Tyson use to have an endorsement contract with a company that made hearing aids. After the Holyfield fight, they would drop him.

booooooo.

if you look in that same mag you can see her climbing an overly ticked crack complete with gear ticks. top notch, top notch.
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the rags have gone to shit for the most part and the people they portray have either gone to shit as well or always been shit. your nickle.

Post by **der uber** » Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:54 am

That sounds about right but what has it to do with my qoute

trad folks tick gear placements?

Post by **anticlmber** » Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:05 am

sorry, i was just boooing your joke. not one of your better ones.

Post by **der uber** » Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:19 am

Oh, I figured that, and justifiably so.

Post by **TradMike** » Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:13 am

der uber wrote:trad folks tick gear placements?

Just like some people can't chew and walk at the same time some people can't think and climb at the same time.

Post by **512OW** » Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:39 pm

Dean and Steph, along with Katie Brown and all of Patagonias climbers, with the exception of Lynn Hill and Ron Kauk, lost their sponsorships in the wake of Deans Delicate Arch fiasco. Dean and Steph together were clearing 6 figures off that one sponsorship alone.

At first Patagonia released a statement backing Dean. When they realized he was wrong, rather than admit their own mistake, they claimed that they, as a company, had gotten too far away from their real goals and had become too much of a "climbing" company.

They released him (them) the week my song went up.

Funny, the owner of Patagonia is/was a major climber.

Post by **rjackson** » Thu Aug 21, 2008 3:26 pm

While it may have been a bad idea, Potter did nothing illegal. Basically used a loop hole, like those that enable people to evade some taxes or perhaps racers who can exploit a rule to go faster and beat the competition. It happens. People get angry and jealous because somebody else got something they didn't. Be it physical (money) or emotional (attention).

Pretty classic business practices with Patagonia by simply protecting their brand rather than standing up for Potter.

I believe they make a good product, I have a fleece that I've worn to a thread over 10 years. But their 'above the competition' virtues can be a bit much for my tastes.

Their Late Summer 2008 catalog is still full of climbers and even has a spread of Lynn Hill climbing at the Chocalate Factory. I think Patagonia will always be portrayed as a climbing and surfing company because even those that don't climb or surf want to be associated with the perceived life style.

In my opinion Potter is still a great climber and Patagonia makes a decent product. There's nothing 'wrong' with any of it, the world keeps going round. In a few 100 years we'll all be gone, and perhaps the arch will have eroded to the point where it has collapsed also.

As for me, I'm just killing 20 minutes on a Thursday afternoon.