McCain and Obama think you're stupid.

[Crankmas]

now gentlepersons lets keep this civil- I'm voting for obama because I don't think McCain is a conservative or as good a candidate as obama- I really liked Hillary but I really disliked Bill - Pelosi has been okay- I think she has found the workings of the congress and its political nature can quickly sap your higher goals, Dodd, Reid, McConnell and some of the other old guard have become deadweight and need to go- its obvious energy policy cannot be addressed by the current crop of leadership and politicians aren't willing to tackle the tough issues- we need elected officials that are willing to do the right thing for the country- its a sad statement of affairs that that sentence even has to exist- alternative fuels and most importantly the infrastructure to hasten their widespread usage: that tact offers the most direct relief and most homegrown- peace out hate on

[pigsteak]

I think that your overwhelming blatant stereotyping of the two parties is what causes/feeds the images and helps our country to continue down this disgusting road. which convention will they feel more "comfy" at? that doesn't even deserve an answer. I hope neither.

[Crankmas]

good point pigsteak, the country is passed the "are you comfy?" stage its time to address the issues.. there is a price to pay and like the debt the cost rises by the minute... you like that ending its like graham's project ... ending -kewl

[L Day]

Tomdarch you're an absolute fucking asshole. I dare you to dig up any racist opinion that I've written, ever, anywhere. I object to somebody talking about asassination and you imply that I'm a racist. Well Fuck You you goddamned piece of crap.

[charlie]

Jeebus are you people idiots? Can't keep your eye on the ball for more than one minute can you?

Piggie, I'd be willing to bet KY Dems went for Clinton because it's the name we all recognize. There is a reason Western KY elects Jim Bunning every year even though he's the stupidest congressperson still in office. Clinton took KY probably more as a result of her name than any sort of racist tendencies. You people are too smart to let yourself interpret the world based on the fringe elements.

I love how everyone has finally started to accept the media's push to make this all about race. Are we finally over the misogynist slant? Can we dumb the discussion down any more? God knows too few people in this state know anything about any of the platforms so it has to be about race.

[pigsteak]

maybe charlie, but I have been utterly appalled by the blue blood democrats who refuse to vote for Obama becasue of his skin color. And I can guarantee you I have heard more than one person say it. And they say it so matter of factly it is scarey.

I had no idea how deep racism ran until I moved to Kentucky. I guess I was sheltered until now. I love KY, but dammit, people need to stand up to this ignorant crap. He's half black..freakin big deal. He's a Christian.....big deal. If he were a Muslim, who cares? Does't say the Pledge of Allegiance? A lie.

Get the facts. Don't vote for him (or do vote for him) because of his policies. Same with McCain. He's not a third term Bush. The two of them couldn't be more different. Sort of like comparing Obama to Liebermann.

I'm done. I had just heard it again today (he's a Muslim)..and it drives me insane.

[ynot]

Barrack Hussien Obama. A name like that and he's not a muslim?

[pigsteak]

Barrack Hussien Obama. A name like that and he's not a muslim?

please tell me you're kidding ynot....

and even if he were, why should it matter? especially to libs who want us out of Iraq and Afganistan.....why are we afraid of different beliefs? radical muslims are like radical christians are like radical eco freaks are like radical atheists are like radical radish farmers.....

[ynot]

he's a towel head.

[tomdarch]

Tomdarch you're an absolute fucking asshole. I dare you to dig up any racist opinion that I've written, ever, anywhere. I object to somebody talking about asassination and you imply that I'm a racist.

If you had bothered to read what I actually wrote, I was accusing you of covering up the violence and racism at the core of American conservatism. I didn't say that you, personally, were a violent racist. To your credit, I would certainly agree that you have not written anything here that would be called overtly racist.

But what was your reaction to Crank's comment? After a series of his typically semi-non-sensical comments that did bring up race, he then clearly brings up assassination. Sure, you "objected" to something. You didn't object to assassination itself, you objected to someone talking about it. (Direct quote: "Please don't talk like that") Big difference - and my point. shhhhh! Let's not speak openly about doing violence to black people ... it's happening all around us, but let's not talk about it .... shhhh!

In my comment about Republican gatherings, I re-cast your words as a similar sort of "objection" to overt racism, in contrast to agreement with overt racism.

The implication in the texts is not that you, yourself are actively racist - you read that into my statements yourself. Your problem, not mine.

To bring this back to American politics in general, just as there's no avoiding the fact that that the "war on drugs" is based in racism, and the so-called "war on terrorism" is also. There is no war on the remaining IRA terrorists, there is no war on the KKK terrorists, there is no war on the Christian Identity terrorists - only a war on Arab and other "non-white" Muslim militants. (Don't waste time bringing up Richard Reed or other such, thankfully rare buffons.) We all know that there are essentially no "white" people in Gitmo or in the CIA black sites or handed over to middle eastern regimes for torture. The US never would have invaded a "white" country (and bungled the occupation) in the way they did "non-white" Iraq. The current US military wouldn't treat "white" prisoners the way they did the people in Abu Ghraib, and if they did, heads would have rolled higher up the chain of command. The American people wouldn't stand for the semi-colonization of Iraq that's happening right now if it was populated by "white" people.

Does supporting these screwed up policies make someone an overt racist? Perhaps not. But supporting this sort of indirect violent racism is a problem. Ignoring or trying to be silent about the same violent racism is also a problem.

Well Fuck You you goddamned piece of crap.

I can't decide how to wrap up:

1) You are a credit to your cause, sir.
2) Thanks for making my point about violence underlying conservatism.
or...
3) Do you really wonder why people think you're a Bill O'Reilly fan?