McCain and Obama think you're stupid.

[L Day]

O'Reilly's an idiot. The reference was to the WSJ online. Hiked the Bridgers yesterday, incredibly beautiful.

Come to think of it, there are a lot of idiots on TV, all getting paid tons of money I'm sure. Hannity, Colms, Mathews. O'Reilly's a special case, certainly, but the biggest idiot of all has to be Keith Olbermann. Honestly, if there's a dumber SOB on the face of this earth I'd like to know who it is. Rush?, not even close.

[pigsteak]

forgive the libs Larry...dmw, mcrib, caribe, et al...the loath just out of habit. talk about a bunch of lemmings. they stereotype, assuming we all watch oreilly, listen to coulter, limbaugh. or hannity...yawn. glad you enlightened libs are willing to have a discussion on a viewpoint you don't share. dmw, don't you have some rare newt to save from extinction? (no, not me.)

no spin will make Carter's presidency any less pathetic. same with W's....

[Crankmas]

are big ear cats on the endangered species list yet?

[mcrib]

as far as Olbermann goes I guess it doesn't take anyone too bright to point out the blatant misreporting that goes on with right wing news sources.

Piggie I don't recall taking shots at you what the fuck man. what happened to the positive vibes? I listen to the other side all the time. . . take those swiftboat guys I listened to them and then determined they were full of shit.

I guess I am bias since my old man worked for the interior department under Carter and was then fired by Regan who saw his views on the environment as being too liberal (liberal meaning he gave a shit about the environment)

[L Day]

OK, for a recent example of Olbermann's holding right wing news sources responsible for their misreporting.

Chris Mathews was on Olbermann's show talking about the just deceased Tim Russert. Chris was, of course, highly complimentary of Russert, but he couldn't help himself and said "Now this is going to be tricky" as he got in one little dig at Russert.

Somebody on Fox pointed out that Mathews was being a little tacky to give in to his lesser insticts to offer even a small critizism of the just deceased Russert.

Next thing you know, fucking Olberman is going off on Fox "My god man, have you got no decency?" acting as if Fox had been criticizing Russert, and giving Fox his "worst man in the world" award, when it had been Mathews that was guilty of putting Russert down, and he did it on Olberman's own fucking show while he was talking directly to Olbermann. What a dishonest dumbass.

[pigsteak]

mcrib..ye take this all too seriously if you thought that was a poke at you man....lol

read my 178 other political posts to get a feel for my "positive vibes...lol..whatever the predominate temperature in the political waters, I am the epsom salts.

now, ask caribe the ugly voting secret he has on me.....

[tomdarch]

Without having to go too far into detail about the specific economics, he pointed out why windfall taxes are a bad idea.

No, actually, he didn't explain why windfall taxes are a bad idea. All he did was spew a bunch of statistics, and made a misstatement about how windfall taxes supposedly reduced domestic oil exploitation. There are a variety of factors that limit US oil exploitation relative to the rest of the world - things like OSHA, environmental laws, the fact that most Americans don't want an oil rig in their back yard, higher wages for US workers, etc.

All of which ignore the fact that our problem isn't importing oil, it's the fact that we're dependent on oil, period. Oil is pretty close to the definition of a fungible commodity, so the important thing is reducing our use, and thus dependence, on oil, from the perspectives of energy independence, environmental sustainability, and reducing the flow of money to "terrorists".

[pigsteak]

Without having to go too far into detail about the specific economics, he pointed out why windfall taxes are a bad idea.

No, actually, he didn't explain why windfall taxes are a bad idea. All he did was spew a bunch of statistics, and made a misstatement about how windfall taxes supposedly reduced domestic oil exploitation. There are a variety of factors that limit US oil exploitation relative to the rest of the world - things like OSHA, environmental laws, the fact that most Americans don't want an oil rig in their back yard, higher wages for US workers, etc.

All of which ignore the fact that our problem isn't importing oil, it's the fact that we're dependent on oil, period. Oil is pretty close to the definition of a fungible commodity, so the important thing is reducing our use, and thus dependence, on oil, from the perspectives of energy independence, environmental sustainability, and reducing the flow of money to "terrorists".

knock out the lights. we agree.

[powen01]

Without having to go too far into detail about the specific economics, he pointed out why windfall taxes are a bad idea.

No, actually, he didn't explain why windfall taxes are a bad idea. All he did was spew a bunch of statistics, and made a misstatement about how windfall taxes supposedly reduced domestic oil exploitation. There are a variety of factors that limit US oil exploitation relative to the rest of the world - things like OSHA, environmental laws, the fact that most Americans don't want an oil rig in their back yard, higher wages for US workers, etc.

All of which ignore the fact that our problem isn't importing oil, it's the fact that we're dependent on oil, period. Oil is pretty close to the definition of a fungible commodity, so the important thing is reducing our use, and thus dependence, on oil, from the perspectives of energy independence, environmental sustainability, and reducing the flow of money to "terrorists".

"Set aside for a minute that Jimmy Carter passed a "windfall profits tax" to devastating effect, putting American oil companies at a competitive disadvantage to foreign competitors, virtually ending domestic energy exploration, and making the U.S. more dependent on foreign sources of oil and gas."

I believe he was using some events from the Carter administration to point out that due to the already high costs of domestic oil exploitation (due to many of the factors you cited, in addition to the massive capital costs of drilling, refineries, etc...), a windfall tax would effectively decimate an already paltry return on investment for oil companies (for domestic oil production).

While I agree with you on the rest of your post (our need to pursue responsible, alternative forms of energy, etc.), the article's impetus was on the flawed economic policies espoused by the two Presidential candidates, not on liberating ourselves of our dependence on foreign oil.

And seriously, wouldn't you have about shit your pants if Karl Rove had written an op-ed that encouraged the American public to ween themselves off of foreign oil by limiting our consumption or seeking sustainable or less impactful alternatives?

[mcrib]

So you sit around and watch Keith Olbermann's show just so you can have shit to talk about him? That is kind of sad and probably explains why you are so bitter.

While it is probably impossible to get honest, objective and important news on the TV it is hard to point fingers at left leaning news programs when those on the right are so ghastly. Bill O' saying that a child who had been abducted and kept by his abductor for years enjoyed the experience because he didn't have to go to school. A network (Fox) that gives Oliver North a show called American Heros . . . pretty awful stuff.