Rick, I respect and applaud all you've done and all you've had to put up with. I fully understand why you'd get fed up with the shenanigans of some of the morons that show up. I've seen some ridiculous behavior there myself. When I've been to Muir, I've respected the rules and enjoyed the climbing. I don't wish to be considered an ungrateful lout. You do have to impose rules on the general climbing public, obviously.weber wrote:Lander wrote:
...And while I appreciate Weber letting people climb on his land, I also think he's acting like a control freak with all his rules... Where's Buster when we need him?
Well, you're close, Lander; you just have the words switched. Sometimes, owning this place is more like "freak control." In the beginning we had very few rules and guidelines, relying on common sense and courtesy to carry the day. But, little by little a few irresponsible climbers demonstrated in spades that approach wouldn't work. Just like in society, a handful of miscreants make it necessary to impose rules on the majority who really don't need them.
Liz and I read a lot of complaints on this forum about this nutcase Weber and his onerous rules.
Really now, how many of you have been unduly burdened by overbearing rules here in Muir?
Last year we saw 10,600 visitors enjoy the valley pretty much unencumbered. After reading a lot of whining criticism on this forum and having just spent another Sunday night cleaning up trash and used toiletries left behind, we sometimes wonder if should rethink our decision. But then we remind ourselves that the overwhelming majority of climbers at Muir are courteous, respectful and a joy to have visit.
Rick Weber
But rules about fixed draw replacement? To the point of threatening to remove hangers? I don't understand the need for this kind of threat. As lurkist pointed out, climbers have been policing fixed gear in the madness cave for years without any problems.
As long as you (or someone acting in your stead) are on the routes in question, why not just remove the draws you're so worried about instead of removing the hangers and thus the climbs? Pigs idea of setting a time limit on fixed gear makes a lot of sense. Chopping routes doesn't.
I'm curious what some of the FAs who worked so hard putting up those climbs and asked your permission and followed the rules you set think about this. Are you guys ok with Weber removing your climbs because of something that other people did or didn't do? IMHO, it sucks and it's a complete over-reaction to a minor issue.
