Replacing draws at Sanctuary and Solarium

Post by **caribe** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:57 am

Kris, what needed to be done? What kind of shape were the worst ones in? What is the current status? Did anybody get to Solarium? I was going to but the weekend disappeared without it happening. Which routes at Solarium need attention?

Post by **weber** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:15 am

Lander wrote:
...And while I appreciate Weber letting people climb on his land, I also think he's acting like a control freak with all his rules... Where's Buster when we need him?

Well, you're close, Lander; you just have the words switched. Sometimes, owning this place is more like "freak control." In the beginning we had very few rules and guidelines, relying on common sense and courtesy to carry the day. But, little by little a few irresponsible climbers demonstrated in spades that approach wouldn't work. Just like in society, a handful of miscreants make it necessary to impose rules on the majority who really don't need them.

Liz and I read a lot of complaints on this forum about this nutcase Weber and his onerous rules.

Really now, how many of you have been unduly burdened by overbearing rules here in Muir?

Last year we saw 10,600 visitors enjoy the valley pretty much unencumbered. After reading a lot of whining criticism on this forum and having just spent another Sunday night cleaning up trash and used toiletries left behind, we sometimes wonder if should rethink our decision. But then we remind ourselves that the overwhelming majority of climbers at Muir are courteous, respectful and a joy to have visit.

Rick Weber

Post by **reason** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:48 am

Thanks Webers for all you do and thanks for putting up with the ungrateful bums.

Here's to the many climbers who use common sense, clean up their own shit and are courteous to the land owners!

Post by **Meadows** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:40 am

The bitching bandwagon has carted off, although I see the pusillanimous approach to posting under a pseudonym is still alive and well for "tactless".

If you fervantly desire a change, then try being a responsible climber first and then form your "beliefs" in a manner of a suggestion rather than blame. You'd be surprised at who would listen.

Post by **Josephine** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:55 am

Meadows, i need to hang out with you more. you know all the really cool words! reminds me of my childhood friend's dad - when he had a problem with a company he would write them a letter and use all the really big words to tell them exactly how he felt about their product so they'd have to use a dictionary to read the letter!

from www.m-w.com

pusillanimous: lacking courage and resolution : marked by contemptible timidity

tactless is probably the Someone on the online guide.

Post by **the lurkist** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:59 am

I thought she was using a pejorative variation on a slang term for female genitalia that is sometime used to describe someone that is "lacking courage and resolution : marked by contemptible timidity."
Ms. Meadows- that is disgusting.

Post by **Noell** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:15 am

caribe wrote:Kris, what needed to be done? What kind of shape were the worst ones in? What is the current status? Did anybody get to Solarium? I was going to but the weekend disappeared without it happening. Which routes at Solarium need attention?

Ditto. I was down at Sanctuary on Saturday too, and at least on the two routes I've been on there, everything seemed to be in pretty good shape. Also, seems like the draws aren't necessarily 'fixed' per say, but someone's project draws. Is that right? So once the owner does the route they take them down?

Kris says he looked at/fixed up Jesus Wept and Peace Frog and had some some beaner switching on Prometheus. I will take some beaners and draws and take a second look at Prometheus (sorry if I am miss-spelling it- and I don't mean to double up work efforts but at at least this way I am contributing) and make sure it's good to go. That's three done.

What else? What about Solarium?

Post by JR » Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:56 am

Rick Weber,

Can we call this area OK now? Are the draws OK?
I talked to many climbers that climbed at Santuary on Saterday and no one mentioned anything amiss. Thanks again for bringing this issue to our attention.

Post by **charlie** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 12:26 pm

Lander wrote:....Where's Buster when we need him?

He's no longer posting.....

Buster in regards to this thread wrote:I love everyone there and want to get along IRL...

Post by **pigsteak** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 12:32 pm

Here is a novel idea to solve the issue.

No project draws allowed in Muir Valley. You leave em longer than the weekend, they are considered abaondoned, and are free for anyone to take.

Any "fixed" draws must be up to Rick's standard, which I am assuming would be stainless steel clipping biners and maybe even stainless chain.

Anyone have a problem with that?

As a community we could equip the 20-30 routes in need of permanent draws, and be done with it.

I know Ray and Michelle have graciously (and quietly) bought chain, quicklinks and steel biners to equip two lines at the Surf. Any one else want to step up and donate the cash to permanently equip a steep line at Muir?

Rick would never pull bolts. I agree that would be punishing to developer, and development would go to zilch on anything remotely steep.