The Red Grades Vs The Rest?

[L Day]

I don't know. I thought the grades on classic trad routes were pretty consistent with the valley, lovers leap, and other western areas. Watch out for extreme run-outs on some otherwise moderate routes.

[JR]

Class 5 was subdivided in the 1950s. Initially it was based on ten climbs of Tahquitz Rock in Idyllwild, California, and ranged from "the Trough" at 5.0, a relatively modest technical climb, to "the Open Book" at 5.9, considered at the time the most difficult unaided climb humanly possible. This system was developed by members of the Rock Climbing Section of the Angeles Chapter of the Sierra Club.[1]

If the system was based in southern California. How could we claim that J-Tree, Yosemite, Lovers Leap are hard for the grade??? They are the grades. They are the grades that the rest of the country have been trying to emulate.

[L Day]

Exactly.

[512OW]

Just got back from JTree.... I didn't see the slightest difference in grading between the two areas.

In fact, I've never noticed a difference at any area.

Its lack of technique that makes an area seem overgraded.

[Shamis]

Class 5 was subdivided in the 1950s. Initially it was based on ten climbs of Tahquitz Rock in Idyllwild, California, and ranged from "the Trough" at 5.0, a relatively modest technical climb, to "the Open Book" at 5.9, considered at the time the most difficult unaided climb humanly possible. This system was developed by members of the Rock Climbing Section of the Angeles Chapter of the Sierra Club.[1]

If the system was based in southern California. How could we claim that J-Tree, Yosemite, Lovers Leap are hard for the grade??? They are the grades. They are the grades that the rest of the country have been trying to emulate.

I was saying that places like J-tree, are pretty consistent with places like seneca and the gunks. However, all of these places would be much harder than a lot of the random crags you find scattered around out west, particularly red rocks.