Signage inquiry
If 1000 fans walk over a golf course it's no big deal.Saxman wrote:What, you mean everyone else doesn't tell their obsessed fans to stay home to protect the egos of fellow climbers?
If 1000 fans walk over a crag, it WILL get shut down. Too much damage, litter, soil erosion, etc. in a fairly fragile environment to support huge masses of people.
Most people (climbers aside) don't even KNOW there is so much to climb in the Red. Friends have asked what I did no a given weekend and I tell them what and where and there response is "Really? There's a lot to climb down there?" I think there is too strong a reactionary response to what MIGHT happen to traffic with signage. But, let's be realistic here, The Gorge is a location to be appreciated and enjoyed, not horded away by a bunch of elitest, self-important "climbing is a club and you're not allowed in!" people. I mean, seriously, how do you think the people who were there (gasp!) before the climbers began to move in felt when all these grungy, grubby, pot-smoking hippies came down with their yelling and screaming and "TAKE!" and "FALLING!" and leaving of the trash? There is nothing wrong with hikers (who were GOING THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE) stopping to watch someone with more skill than they doing something they find interesting. I think it's cool when a family happens to hike one of the trails that leads past a crag and stops to ask questions and watch.
Geez, people
Geez, people
"I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself. A small bird will drop frozen dead from a bough without ever having felt sorry for itself."
D. H. Lawrence
D. H. Lawrence
I agree with your thoughts. And I do like when I see the occasional hikers passing by. And I guess now that I think about it a discreet sign might not be such a bad idea (I kinda like the biner sign idea). I just don't want to see what I consider a beautiful place turned into Disneyland and have tons of ugly tourist things like that freaking ugly cabin by the Shell station pop up.Rain Man wrote:Most people (climbers aside) don't even KNOW there is so much to climb in the Red. Friends have asked what I did no a given weekend and I tell them what and where and there response is "Really? There's a lot to climb down there?" I think there is too strong a reactionary response to what MIGHT happen to traffic with signage. But, let's be realistic here, The Gorge is a location to be appreciated and enjoyed, not horded away by a bunch of elitest, self-important "climbing is a club and you're not allowed in!" people. I mean, seriously, how do you think the people who were there (gasp!) before the climbers began to move in felt when all these grungy, grubby, pot-smoking hippies came down with their yelling and screaming and "TAKE!" and "FALLING!" and leaving of the trash? There is nothing wrong with hikers (who were GOING THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE) stopping to watch someone with more skill than they doing something they find interesting. I think it's cool when a family happens to hike one of the trails that leads past a crag and stops to ask questions and watch.
Geez, people
There's a difference between hording the Gorge and simply not pointing out with neon signs where everything is though... any hikers are more than welcome to stop by and watch. If they pick up a trail map they'll be able to find the crags without too much hassle.
I don't feel like we're hording anything right now because there's no signs, do you?
...One final thought:
How many crags / climbs do any you know about that aren't in the guide book? Care to share with everyone?horded away by a bunch of elitest, self-important "climbing is a club and you're not allowed in!" people
Here's my two cents (not even worth that).
The last thing I want are a bunch of snivelling idiots running around the Red TRASHING it, yes Rainman climbers don't do the majority of trashing on the paths. Also, I'll take a pot smoking hippie anyday to a loud mouth...so long as the pot smoking hippie is not belaying me.
We have a big idea who is in line to buy the property...they aren't climber friendly. For example, keep your eye on Roadside in the next year and see who buys that. Say bye bye guys.
The last thing I want are a bunch of snivelling idiots running around the Red TRASHING it, yes Rainman climbers don't do the majority of trashing on the paths. Also, I'll take a pot smoking hippie anyday to a loud mouth...so long as the pot smoking hippie is not belaying me.
We have a big idea who is in line to buy the property...they aren't climber friendly. For example, keep your eye on Roadside in the next year and see who buys that. Say bye bye guys.
Jesus only knows that she tries too hard. She's only trying to keep the sky from falling.
-Everlast
-Everlast
Spragwa, Wow this Roadside thing...is that true, I mean are you sure? That would be a major bummer, I love that place...first place(crazy fingers) I ever climbed at the Red. Can anything be done, do we need to buy that too? I guess I better get to work on Wild Gift before that gets closed..another classic 12c gone...That sucks ASS
"Climbing is the spice, not the meal." ~ Lurkist
rhunt: That's about 80% positive. It's for sale and the people who are interested are also interested in pulling the bolts. The RRGCC can only do one thing at a time and the Murray Property is the most crucial right now.
Jesus only knows that she tries too hard. She's only trying to keep the sky from falling.
-Everlast
-Everlast