Redpoint VS Onsight

[Wes]

if you throw yourself at one thing obsessivley enough, you'll do it. - anon

[anticlmber]

word wes, word. thats exactly what i think for epic projectors. i did this super hard route (after three months of constant ffort and bitching) but i can't onsite this route thhe boyscouts climb.

[Danny]

dude, that image pretty much sums up my life -- but what can one do?

[rjackson]

On person's focused desire is another's attention deficit disorder.

[JR]

I've always considered routes at the red to be easier to Red Point

and

Routes at the red are MUCh easier to onsite.

????

From your posts I guess you where saying "compared to the New" This probably doesn't pertain to RP VS Onsight. This might be a "you are good at endurance thing or you might be better at steeper rock than face climbing thing."

[JR]

word wes, word. thats exactly what i think for epic projectors. i did this super hard route but i can't onsite this route thhe boyscouts climb.

You must be speaking to the 3 persons out of 34 who had a greater than 1 whole number grade difference.

Will you three please step forward?

First of all I would like to say Anticlimber hates you. Don't worry about it he hates everyone, including himself.

Second I would like to know the RP and Onsight Routes. Nothing to be ashamed of here, just want to know for the record.

[JR]

I've never fallen on so many lower grade routes than I did in Wild Iris.

Not to throw you under the bus or anything SCIN. But how low are we talking here? 10's 11's 12's wait a minute don't tell me you fell on a 9.

[Josephine]

[quote="JR"]I have heard that a well rounded climber will have a full grade between your best onsight versus highest redpoint. [quote]

i think i'm missing something. i always felt that a "well rounded climber" would climb sport, trad, and boulder equally well.

i'm not sure how you can define the "well rounded climber" by whether or not there is a full letter grade between her onsights/redpoints. this idea seems to suppose that all grades are equal - nothing is soft and nothing is sandbagged.

it seems to me that if someone is "well rounded" their onsights/redpoints would be closer together. that would indicate that their skillz at reading the rock are as good as their ability to work the route.

not that i'm a well-rounded climber by any defination

[JR]

i always felt that a "well rounded climber" would climb sport, trad, and boulder equally well.

Me too.

i'm not sure how you can define the "well rounded climber" by whether or not there is a full letter grade between her onsights/redpoints.

I don't.

it seems to me that if someone is "well rounded" their onsights/redpoints would be closer together.

The poll shows that most climbers at the Red are indeed closer. Me included.

[pigsteak]

but y'all are showing your bias....wouldn't this well rounded climber also ice climb, pull hard on plastic, be great in the mountains, etc....