Dead bloated horse

Post by **Spragwa** » Mon Jul 21, 2003 1:36 pm

Ho, you never cease to amaze me. You're still following me around and calling me names! I knew you didn't mean it when you said you were over me. Tell you what, next time I see you, I'll wear braids and let you pull one 'kay?

I take my beat-up Toyota Corolla back to the Arena. A civic would do just fine.

Post by **SikMonkey** » Mon Jul 21, 2003 1:43 pm

Well, I was wrong about the Oil Crag. The WHOLE frikkin thing (except for the BMG buttress) was in the shade most of the day Saturday (not direct shade, just shade provided by the trees). The 12 wall didn't even see the sun while I was there.

Post by **tomdarch** » Mon Jul 21, 2003 6:28 pm

Spragwa wrote:Ho, you never cease to amaze me. You're still following me around and calling me names! I knew you didn't mean it when you said you were over me. Tell you what, next time I see you, I'll wear braids and let you pull one 'kay?

I take my beat-up Toyota Corolla back to the Arena. A civic would do just fine.

What? Pull your braids!?! Are you crazy - he could get cooties!

Civic - yes it is possible, but there's the issue of driver skill. Also, you may not make it out with the heat shield still attached, but heck, it will be the first thing to rust off the underside, anyway. There's also the issue of 'the mud pit' below Oil Crack...

Anyway - this whole issue of what's sunny and when is a big deal (to me at least). Some 'flamable' guidebooks deal with this, but usually somewhat poorly. At the very least, you need to know when the given area/route is in the sun/shade during the summer and during the winter (and it would be nice to know for spring/fall also). The summer vs. winter hours will be quite different. To some degree you can figure this out with a map and a set of solar angle charts - otherwise it might be necessary to ask people to record when a given crag/wall/rotue goes into/out of the shade over the course of a year while people are out climbing.

Post by **Jeff** » Mon Jul 21, 2003 7:40 pm

Why not just climb often enough so that you know.
Damn, does everything have to put out on a silver platter anymore?

Post by **SikMonkey** » Mon Jul 21, 2003 9:52 pm

Yep. Sadly enough it's a world of convenience we live in these days. If it ain't spoon fed to 'em, the majority of people don't want anything to do with it, or they will at least try to find the person that would have the most influence in bringing that convenience to them and badger the hell out of them. We all do it to some extent. Kind of odd once you think about it though. We go out and bust our ass and sweat blood to get up our dream route, but we don't want to take a chance of driving to the wrong crag by accident and be forced to climb in the sun for a couple of hours. The same goes for the signage issue. If you are too lazy/stupid to read a map and follow directions, you SURE as hell don't need to be on the rock next to me.

Mj

Post by **LittleMonkeyMojo** » Tue Jul 22, 2003 4:10 pm

I just took my '99 Honda Civic to the parking area for 'The Arena' this past weekend. You can do it, it's just not guaranteed to be pretty. If you see a muddy patch in the road, just give it some gas and plow through it. I do think I dented in my gas tank though. Oh, I also think I tore a CV joint shoe. Oh well, it was GREAT climbing.