Great idea!
Lets get together and go meddle in the dicey, and highly evolved local politics of both the property owners and the building code enforcement officials and see if that's gonna help foster positive feelings toward climbers in the local community.
I enjoy burning bridges and causing problems as much as anyone but don't you people have better things to do with your time?
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if it is just water that has changed course do to construction thats one thing, if its poo coming down the wall its another. I wouldn't want to mess with pissing off the locals for little shit like water, but if a septic is leaking thats an environmental issue that should be addressed.
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The question is have you seen a Forest Service marker at the top of the cliff? Fortunately, unlike a lot of private land in the area, the Forest Service has good surveys and boundary marks. Give me a chance to find out from them where the boundary is in this area and then proceed based on this knowledge. Ultimately, if private development is impacting Forest Service land, that would be the Forest Service's problem to deal with, not ours.anticlmber wrote:last known it was forest service land. theres even a little marker saying so when you enter the woods. the top is private, the tbottom is public.
"Be responsible for your actions and sensitive to the concerns of other visitors and land managers. ... Your reward is the opportunity to climb in one of the most beautiful areas in this part of the country." John H. Bronaugh
Can anyone else confirm Jeff's observation on increased water run off or is it possibly bad luck on his visits?Jeff wrote:Seems like since the cabins went in up top, there is a lot of water running over the edge above those routes.
Hope it's not from a septic system.
The theory of evolution is just as stupid as the theories of gravity and electromagnetism.
This has all been hypothetical internet bullshitting since there is no real evidence of anything. However, your post reveals a strange thought process. If a climber shits at the base of a route you're pissed off but if a local is letting their raw sewage run down a section of cliff you are ok with letting that go on since it might damge our relationship with the locals?charlie wrote:Great idea!
Lets get together and go meddle in the dicey, and highly evolved local politics of both the property owners and the building code enforcement officials and see if that's gonna help foster positive feelings toward climbers in the local community.
I enjoy burning bridges and causing problems as much as anyone but don't you people have better things to do with your time?
The theory of evolution is just as stupid as the theories of gravity and electromagnetism.
yes. climber = not lost access if ppissed. local landowner = lost access if pissed.Saxman wrote:This has all been hypothetical internet bullshitting since there is no real evidence of anything. However, your post reveals a strange thought process. If a climber shits at the base of a route you're pissed off but if a local is letting their raw sewage run down a section of cliff you are ok with letting that go on since it might damge our relationship with the locals?charlie wrote:Great idea!
Lets get together and go meddle in the dicey, and highly evolved local politics of both the property owners and the building code enforcement officials and see if that's gonna help foster positive feelings toward climbers in the local community.
I enjoy burning bridges and causing problems as much as anyone but don't you people have better things to do with your time?
